If you believe that Jesus (PBUH) is the son of God (Allah) WHAT does the following verse in the bible mean? WHO was Jesus praying to if you claim Jesus IS God? And WHY was he praying if he knew he was to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind?
Matthew 26:39:
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
2006-11-22 20:47:39 · 17 answers · asked by cici1978 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
How he Jesus (PBUH) the Redeemer when it says in the bible:
ISAIAH 43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.
And:
ISAIAH 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.
2006-11-22 20:57:40 · update #1
Jesus (PBUH) "knew the plan but was checking on last time"? So although you claim he is the son of God, he obviously doesn't have Godly qualities, like knowledge of the unseen, or he wouldn't need to ask surely?
2006-11-22 20:59:47 · update #2
fell his face to ground and prayed,
hmmmm sounds like the Muslims.
2006-11-22 20:53:43 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 3⤋
I'm sure no answer will satisfy you, but I'll try.
There are 3 Gods which work as One.
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Jesus was praying to God the Father. When the Father sent Jesus to the earth, Jesus was subject to the same weaknesses we are. So, he experienced fear, pain, hunger and other feelings He would not have if He remained in His spirit form. He was afraid of being crucified because He knew how much pain He was going to be in and that He would be separated from the Father while He took on the sins of the world.
That is why He prayed for the cup to be taken from Him. He didn't want to be crucified, but went in obedience to the Father.
Jesus only has the power of God the Father because the Father has given it to Jesus. However, the Father has the ultimate power and could remove Jesus from the Godhead if He wanted to.
You are also confusing old testament salvation with new testament salvation. Old testament required following the law of Moses. New testament requires following the law of Jesus.
I'm sure you think you've found an error by your research, but you really only prove the divine excellence of God and His son Jesus with the scriptures you list.
If you really want to question something, you need to question Islam. How is it that you regard Jesus as a prophet and do not follow His Words? Jesus clearly said that He was the way to God and anyone else who makes that claim (Mohammed) is a false prophet.
John 14:
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
So explain how you can believe He was a messenger of God and not believe that He is the messiah while following Mohammed at the same time?
2006-11-23 05:30:47 · answer #2 · answered by IL Padrino 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Wow, I was talking with some friends from church recently about this. I also had this feeling deep inside, "what if God didnt exist?" We talked for hours, debating on facts. Our conclusion: Yes, God exists. I'll try to give you some insight on what we went over.
Ok, let's not get too complicated and just give an everyday example. Suppose you got home today, and there was this beautiful chocolate cake with icing and everything, on top of ur table. Now, we have 2 theories of where that cake came from:
1) There was an HEB truck this afternoon going by ur house, and all of a sudden, a car hit it at 70mph, and the truck rolled over violently. There were eggs, flour, all sorts of stuff in the truck, and they all got mixed up in the crash, and the truck caught on fire, and the extreme heat baked all that stuff, and as the truck continued to roll on the street, the stuff flew through ur window and miraculously landed on ur table.
2) Someone who knew how to bake a chocolate cake, went there and did it, and then put it on top of ur table for you.
Which one makes more sense? If you answered #2, good! Then God created the Earth and everything in it. If you prefer to believe in an absurd and very creative theory called "the big bang", in which somehow gases mixed up, just in the right proportion, and then everything exploded and the earth was formed ... my friend, you have a very creative mind. First of all, how were those gases there? Someone must have created it. God. Stuff doesn't just appear.
=D Doesn't that make sense? Ok, now, let's get a lil more complicated.
Scientists say that man evolved from monkeys or whatever their creative mind came up with. Well, it has been proven that over time, living beings only lose genetic material, constantly. Therefore, evolution cannot be possible. The human body is so complex, there is no way it just "evolved" from something. A project called GENOMA, just recently finished their research. Their task: make a complete mapping of the human DNA. Many countries joined forces to complete this project, each taking a body part, like arm, leg, or whatever, and finding out the DNA code for it. Germany was in charge of the human eye. At the end of the project, they said that the human eye was so complex, that there was NO WAY it could have evolved from some other animal. It's a fact. Scientists researched and wrote it down. Aren't they contradicting themselves now? Ok, I believe I made a point on this one. Mankind did not evolve. God made man in His image.
Ok, now back to the big bang stuff. The NASA has been measuring the distance from the Earth to the moon, and it's a fact that every year the moon gets further and further away from the Earth. Fact. It's been proven. It's also a mathematical equation. So, if we take that mathematical equation, and do it backwards, we come up with how long since the earth and the moon we're almost touching. The calculations say something about 10 thousand years. It can't be more than that, otherwise the moon would have been rolling around on the earth.
Also, it's possible to calculate the rate of aging of the Earth. Every year, scientists calculate the rate at which the Earth is aging. It's roughly the same. If we then backtrack how long since the Earth was relatively "new", the calculations vary from 10 to 12 thousand years. It's fact.
Also, the population of the Earth. Today, we have roughly 6.5 billion people alive. Populations, increase in a mathematical progression. In other words, there will always be more people alive today, than there are people dead. Fact. It's not possible to have more people dead than alive. Draw a sketch of a simple family tree, and you'll stumble upon the same conclusion. So, if we backtrack how long since the beggining of population, the results say somewhere between 10 to 12 thousand years.
Every fact that we can backtrace, falls upon the same range. 10 to 12 thousand years. In other words, the Earth is relatively new, not millions of years old as some scientists say.
So, why would scientists not agree with this? Why would they come up with these ridiculous theories about some big bang or whatever? The answer is simple. At the very moment that they agree that there is an all-powerful being, a God, that created everything we know, they realize all their sins. At the moment they realize their sins, they know that they'll have to eventually have a commitment and a close relationship with God. They don't want any commitments to anyone. So what's the easy way out? Make up some random theories that we evolved from monkeys and that the Earth just happens to have been created randomly by a Big Bang, that they themselves can't explain how it supposedly happened.
I sincerely hope this has opened your eyes to the truth. Thanks for reading this, and I really hope that you now accept the commitment that God wants you to have with Him. If you're already commited with God, then I hope this text has restrengthened your faith.
God Bless all of you, and have a great day.
2006-11-25 01:43:27 · answer #3 · answered by PHSouza 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus , God the Son was praying to God The Father. Why do people try to limit the power of God ? why do people think that God does not have the power to be one ,two , three , or even a million if He wants ? God has the power to be in more then one place at a time . Jesus was and is God The Son that was on earth and is now back in heaven with the Father . God The Father which is and was and always will be in heaven sent His Truth down to earth in the form of a man (Jesus) this is not that hard to understand . Jesus Himself said , " I am the way the Truth and the life.
2006-11-23 05:20:59 · answer #4 · answered by Homer Jones 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
You are right. Jesus did know he was to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind. So that must not have been the "cup" to which He was referring.
Most Christians think it meant the separation that was going to have to take place at the moment on the cross when He became our sin and the wrath of God was poured out upon Him.
We have a praise song:
I'm forgiven, because You were forsaken
I'm accepted, you were condemned
I'm alive and well, your Spirit is within me
because You died and rose again.
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Jesus also said, "Don't be sad because I am leaving, for I will send a Comforter (Holy Spirit)". Somehow all three operate with the same mind but they are three different manifestations of the same God.
It looks there is an order of power too. Jesus subjected Himself to the will of the Father God (in the verse you spoke of) and He said He would send the Comforter, so it looks like the chain of command is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
2006-11-23 05:12:01 · answer #5 · answered by nancy jo 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
whom was Jesus praying to? God. who is Jesus? God. Jesus' relationship with the Father and Holy Ghost is one of love, not logic.
the mystery of the Trinity can never be fully explained even if given an eternity.
the early ecumenical councils determined that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. does that not make sense to you? good.
the Fathers of the Church reasoned that God cannot be reasoned. God is well-known to all yet completely inexplicable. the line of argument goes that a God who can be completely understood by mankind cannot be God -- it is an idol created by the human mind, and not the Creator.
2006-11-23 04:57:10 · answer #6 · answered by db 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
God loved us so that He wouldn’t let us go on for eternity in our unbelief, and so sent humans His Son, Christ, the truth. God chose Jesus to personify the Christ. The human side of Jesus did not want to go to the cross (would you?) and prayed, but also knew that he must be obedient to the Father and do His will in order to prove One God. Having proven God’s nature as Life, Truth, and Love, Jesus’ human form was no longer needed. Christ is not human, and what He did for the human race, no human would do for Him.
2006-11-23 06:00:58 · answer #7 · answered by ? 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The concept is called the Trinity - the Three in One
God the Father - the Creator
Jesus the Son - the Redeemer
The Holy Spirit - the Enabler
Jesus knew the plan, but was asking one last time, if their was any other option that would accomplish the payment of the sacrificial lamb. There was not, and He died on the cross the most painful death of His day, was buried, and rose again the third day.
2006-11-23 04:54:19 · answer #8 · answered by tom4bucs 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Matthew 28:19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
2006-11-23 04:59:41 · answer #9 · answered by DREAMER 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
God is the creator of all things. Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins.
2006-11-23 04:56:30 · answer #10 · answered by str8 clownin 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The Bible shows very clearly that there is only one God, and yet that there are three personal distinctions in His complex nature, traditionally referred to as "three Persons in the Godhead"—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Each is distinct from the others but never acts independently. They are one in nature and purpose. This mystery is called the doctrine of the Trinity, though that term is not used in the Bible. The teaching, however, is present in seed form in the Old Testament and is revealed explicitly in the New Testament. Note passages such as Matthew 28:19; John 10:30, 14:26; 2 Corinthians 13:14.
Our finite minds cannot understand or explain this mystery of God, which is nevertheless a fact. We must accept the truths found in the Word of God by faith even though we ourselves cannot comprehend them fully; read Hebrews 11:1,3,6 and 1 Corinthians 2:5-10;14; 13:12. It is really not surprising that the infinite God should be complex in His nature beyond the ability of finite humans to comprehend! This doctrine is absolutely essential to New Testament Christianity. Theologians have pointed out that if it were not true, the Bible would be unreliable, Christ would not be divine, and His death on the cross would not atone for our sins, being merely the death of a martyr.
Since the Bible affirms that Jesus is God, it is often perplexing to note that Jesus addresses God in prayer. The answer to this, as well as to all references to Jesus as tired, hungry, weeping, lacking knowledge, etc., is that Jesus was a true man, as well as God. The second Person of the Trinity, God the Son, took upon Himself complete humanity, except for our sinful nature, when He was conceived in Mary. He is described by theologians as one Divine Person having two natures, divine and human—the God-man.
Passages of Scripture which describe Jesus' limitations are referring to His humanity. He lived His life as a true man, depending upon His heavenly Father day by day, just as we are expected to do. Many believe that even His miracles and supernatural knowledge were enabled by the Holy Spirit, not accomplished by switching back and forth between His divine and human natures. When Jesus cried from the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" He was expressing from His human consciousness the terrible sense of being separated from His heavenly Father as He suffered the penalty for the world's sin. He, of course, with respect to His divine nature, could not suffer or die. In all of this great mystery, we have only glimmers of truth which is beyond human comprehension.
You and I can barely understand the horror and suffering Jesus faced as He went to the cross. Not only would He endure terrible physical suffering (for crucifixion was an agonizing way to die), but ahead of Him was the terror of Hell itself. He was sinless and pure—but on the cross all our sins were placed on Him, and He endured the death and Hell we deserve. He who was holy and pure, and had never been separated from His Father, now would bear our sins and be separated from God. No wonder He asked God if there was any other way for our salvation to be won!
But there was no other way. God is holy and just—and because He is, sin must be punished. But God also loves us—and because He does, His Son willingly came into the world to take our punishment for us. The Bible says, "He loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins" (1 John 4:10).
Have you responded to His love for you? Open your heart to Christ, and then ask Him to help you tell others about His love.
2006-11-23 08:17:34 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋