Trinitiarians For the argument Jesus (pbuh) IS GOD:?

Question

Many christians claim Jesus (pbuh) is God, and many also go on to say God is not like man, but at the same time they contradict themselves by saying Jesus was a:

(1) Weary 'god' (John 4:6)
(2) Hungry 'god' (Mark 11:12)
(3) Thirsty 'god' (John 19:28)
(4) Weaping 'god' (John 11:35)

Does it make sense to worship a weary, thirsty, hungry, weaping 'God'?

Answer 1

•Jesus is not a Saviour. He is not capable, even, to save himself from his enemies. How he can be considered “All-Able” to save everyone on the earth. It is the Lord alone__ Who is the All-Able to save every creature of the universe including the mankind__ as the Lord is already saving__ each of them__ without any desolation and defect.
The Same God is the God of Jesus who was the God of Jacob and Moses (peace & blessings of God be upon all the three). The one God, beside whom, there is no God at all.

Jesus is not the inventor of Trinity. Nor he is presenting him as one of three Gods. Nor he is telling the One God as the third of the three gods. Instead, he is openly rejecting the concept of Trinity, which stands for the following three gods.

1.The God of Moses____ Jehovah
2.The word of God_____ Jesus
3.Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost.

The Trinity is a baseless concept in terms of the Verse under reference, the verse 3 of the prayer.

Torah says,
“Remember This! The Lord and the Lord alone___ is our God.
Love the Lord your god with all your heart,
With all your soul, and with all your strength.”
(Deut 6:4-5)

“Fear the Lord your God, worship only God,
and make your promises in God’s name alone.
Do not worship other gods,
Any of the gods of the people around you.
If you do worship other gods,
The Lord’s anger will come against you
Like fire and will destroy you completely,
Because the Lord your God,
Who is present with you, tolerates no rivals.”
(Deut 6:13-14-15)

“God is a great god and (only) one to be feared.’
(Deut 7:21)

Prior to Jesus, the Lord had created Eve, without mother__ and Adam, without mother and father, the both. Afterwards, the Lord created Jesus without father. So the creation of Jesus, without father, is the third instance of the Lord’s all-encompassing creativity___ which is free from all the channels or systems of the birth. Instead, all the channels or systems of the birth are subservient to the all-encompassing and unique creativity of the Lord.

Jesus was born after Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Moses and the numerous other Prophets (peace & blessings of God be upon all of them). If he were the Son-God, then, all of the foregoing Prophets, must have been the believers of Trinity. But the case is not like that at all. None of them was the believer of Trinity, rather, none of them, had, even, heard about the name of Trinity, in their times. Hence, Trinity is nothing else but an invented and artificial concept which has no existence, even, during the time of Jesus. It is, therefore, a rootless concept from all accounts.

•Jesus believed in the same God___ who was believed in__ by Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and all the prophets (peace &blessings of the LORD be upon all of them).

According to Jesus, God, the Holy One; is the Saviour of the Whole mankind. God is capable (be God glorified as God is) to relive off every infliction. None of the human beings is saviour beside God. Jesus, himself is also, not a saviour at all. The people who have chosen him as their saviour__ they have denied the Holy One___ who alone is the saviour of Jesus and whole mankind and the act of choosing Jesus as saviour__ is equal to hate the Holy One___ as it is clearly written in the old Testament:-

“I am the Lord your God. Worship no God but Me. Do not make for yourself images of anything in heavens or on earth or in the water under the earth. Do not bow down to any idol or worship it. Because I am the Lord your God and I tolerate no rivals. I bring punishment on those who hate me, on their descendants, down to third and fourth generation.”
(Exodus 20:1-5)
During his preaching, Jesus had never called himself as God or Son-God.Now, look upon those people who consider Jesus as God or Son-God. They are, baselessly, blaming even those people who were present at the spot and knew that Jesus was not God or son-god. In other words, the people with the belief that Jesus is God or Son-god; are far more enemies of Jesus who tried to crucify him.

The people who say that Jesus is God or Son-God or in his guise, the Lord descended upon earth because of God’s love for humanity. They are, baselessly, blaming Jesus and the Lord of Jesus, the both.
Now, ponder over the point that whosoever says that Jesus is God___ Holy Spirit is God___ Mary is God; has he not made an idol beside the One God? While nothing is there in the earth and heavens which could be considered in terms of the One God.

Beware please! A father is a father__ a mother is a mother___ and a son is a son__ and they all are the creatures of God. They cannot be considered as God___ as god is their Creator__ and nothing is like the Lord.

•Creatures of God are God’s Creatures they can never be considered as God or as the parts of God. Same is the case of Jesus who is a creature and, as such, can not be considered as God or a part of the Creator or the son of Creator.


Beware please, it is an old and well known law of the Lord that___ the Lord reveals the truth__ in open and decisive terms. Looking upon the miracles of Jesus__ the people were considering Jesus as the greatest magician. While hypocrites were calling him, even, the Lord and Saviour. Although Jesus did criticize such thoughts and notions but the notions remained in rapid progress. So, it became eventually essential that___ the actual status of Jesus should be demonstrated__ before all__ in the most open & visible terms. So, the Lord withdrew the miracles and the miraculous power of Jesus and rendered him into an ordinary man. The actual status of Jesus was, as such, demonstrated on the cross before everyone openly.

Whereafter, Jesus was no more a supernatural creature or the Lord and the Saviour. Instead, he was simply a common man. Who was not independent in any respect. He was rather totally dependant upon the Lord, in all respects.

The prayer of Jesus on the cross (the Psalm-22) also, signifies that___ in presence of sponsorship from the Lord__ an ordinary man may become so glorified and sublime that__ he is entitled as “Spirit of God” and “Word of God”. But when the sponsorship is withdrawn by the Lord__ then the man deteriorates__ even from his common status of a man___ and becomes worthless___ like a despised worm.

The trial of Jesus on the cross__ might have been withheld by the Lord___ but the two particular things necessitated it’s happening in essential terms:-

•The miraculous birth of Jesus was a sign of the Lord’s unique creativity. Whereby the people had to strengthen their faith in the Lord and the Lord’s Almightiness but they failed to do so. Instead, they lost their faith in the Lord and the Lord’s Al-mightiness and began to say Jesus as son-god and the Lord.

•Right from the beginning, it is an objective Law of the Lord that__ whenever Monotheism is diminished or overlapped by Polytheism___ the Lord cuts away the overlapped coverings of Polytheism and unveils Monotheism__ in the most obvious terms.

So the Lord did the same on the turn of Jesus. The Lord, rightly put Jesus under the trial of suffering and made the people understand that Jesus was not God or the Lord or the son-god. Nor he was a Saviour, instead, he was a man and Messenger of the Lord. Who, practically preached the Message of Monotheism, even on the cross.

The Lord is, therefore, Holy and the Lord must be believed in, as Holy. To ascribe a son unto the Lord__ is a direct assault on the Lord’s Holiness__ which is an unpardonable crime.

Jesus was a man and Prophet of God who preached the message of the AlMighty All Capable One Alone God Only, and always addressed the masses."Call me Jesus Son Of Mary" as that is my real name.

Answer 2

1. It doesn't say weary god. John 4:6 "Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with His journey, sat thus by the well; and it was about the sixth hour." Jesus took the form of Man to fulfill His mission and sacrifice. Human bodies get weary.
2. Mark 11:12 "And on the morrow, when they had come from Bethany, He was hungry." Again, He was God in the flesh. In the flesh He would have experienced hunger.
3. John 19:28. "After this Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, "I thirst."
He was dying on the cross for he sins of the world, and He fulfilled the scriptures by saying "I thirst." It fulfilled Psalm 69:21 "They gave me also gall for my meat, and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink."
John 19:29 then says "Now there was set there a vessel full of vinegar; and they filled a sponge with vinegar and put it upon hyssop, and put it to His mouth."
John 11:35 Jesus wept.
You have taken the smallest sentence in the Bible out of context
If you read all of John 11, you will see that Jesus not only feels for his friends who are mourning Lazarus, He raises Lazarus from the dead. Who but an awesome God could call forth a man from the dead. Who but Jesus would tell Lazarus' sister "Today you will see the glory of God" (John 11:40).
Again Jesus deferred to His Father. Giving all glory to God.

Nothing but Jesus makes sense.

Read the whole Bible instead of culling passages to prove your point. May God bless you as you search for the Truth.

Answer 3

John 14:9

Answer 4

God, in the old testament also rested and repented... does this mean He isnt to be worshipped either?

Jesus had the flesh of a man... flesh hungers, weaps, thirsts and does everything we do. There would be no point at all for God to incarnate as a man if He was never going to have experiences of a man.

Answer 5

Better to worship a weary, hungry, thirsty, weaping God than a dead god.

Answer 6

I don't think people understand. when God says he doesn't put himself ahead of everyone else. When he walked this earth he felt the same pains and aches as those of humans. So that he would feel compassion for others. This is what killed him. Because the Pharisees couldn't fathom a God to be anything less than superior. Note: Jesus is the ONLY God to come from heaven to earth. Otehrs such as hindus buddhist etc. have to reach tehir God ours has come down. This is significant, why? because It's the only story where God at one point walked the earth. He was 100 percent God and 100 percent human this was Jesus Christ.

Answer 7

JESUS WAS FULL GOD FULL HUMAN he was born of a human, the whole point was for him to become like men to show that God has made such a great act and sacrafice for he loves us. If he did not suffer thirst weap what was the point of the crucifixion.

Answer 8

Thats one thing that saddens me about the Islamic faith.....They put God in a box and decide what he can and cannot do. You claim that he could not have a son (ie Jesus Christ)..... under what authority do you propose to tell God what he can and what he cannnot do?

May you come to realize friend.... that THE God of all creation has authority to do anything he chooses to do and does not need mans permisson nor understanding to do so.

Answer 9

Hey man. Don't tell me you even pay attention to religious leaders. They will say or do anything to build their empires.

Evolution, creationism, and the universal mutational desire to worship someone or something, coupled with the growing science that life on this Earth could not have happened by happenstance, have convinced me that someone or something seeded this Planet about 550 million years ago. (Fossil records indicate that at that time there was an explosion of life on Earth)

I believe their was and is a God or creator, and that most of the Bible is true, well all of it is probably true, but words have changes so much since that time, well you know what I mean.

Try this: God is a loving scientist from an advanced Planet who seeded us and started evolution on Earth about 550 million years ago.

If you are with me, the story gets better and it is supported by science and the Bible.

Check out my book on LuLu.com "God's Ancestors; The Story" its only $12, but if you want I will send you a free copy.

Answer 10

Don't overlook John 1:1 "In the beginning what the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

and v. 14 "The Word became flesh and mad his dwelling among us."

Jesus was God in the flesh (born of a woman) which had to happen so that He could have victory over sin and death and be a perfect sacrifice for us.

Answer 11

Yes, actually. As an atheist, it's a moot point to me, but I could even less accept a deity that never bothered to incarnate itself into a form whereby it could personally experience the plight of its creation.