Christiandom: What kind of God is it that doesn't know the Hour or can do nothing of himself?

Question

In the Bible Jesus (pbuh) admits he doesn't even know the day of Judgement: Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36

Furthermore he cannot even do anything from himself: John 5:30-32

Not only does he not claim divinity, he is humble enough to refuse to be called 'Good': Mark 10:18

So what kind of God is it you worship that is not Good, does not know the Hour, and can't do anything by himself?

Answer 1

Let's get one thing straight. The verses you quoted were statements made by Jesus; not Almighty God. The trinity doctrine that is widely taught in Christendom is really throwing you off. When Jesus is making these statements he's humbly acknowledging that in fact the "father" is greater than him. This is further reiterated in John 14:28. Why would almighty God who knows all things would not know for instance the day of Judgment?_Psalms 83:18 Notice that the scripture that you quoted (Mark 13:2) says in the 2nd part of the verse:"neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the "Father." Again this stresses that Jesus or the Son of God doesn't know the day, but his FATHER would know. Clearly this shows that Jehovah God and Jesus are two different people and that this shows a distinction between them. If Jesus and God were the same wouldn't Jesus know the day of Judgement too?
The many other statements that Jesus makes further show that he is not equal to his father._Philippians 2:6: "who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."_1 Corinthians 11:3, John 20:17. Similiarly, no son is equal to his father or the same as him. Sure they may look alike, talk, or act alike but you recognize them as two separate entities not combined in one. In John 5:19 Jesus makes it clear that he doesn't do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. Also whatever that One does he also does in like manner.
After reasoning from the scriptures you can conclude that from your statements above, Jesus was not only recognizing his father as greater than he was but was giving his father praise and honor by giving him the credit. You can also conlcude that if you read the Bible nodenominationally you would not come to the conclusion that God is part of a trinity which is contradicted in the scriptures. Instead Christ is "one" with God (not literally) in that they are always in harmony with each other just like a husband and wife were to be one as in united together._Genesis 2:24. The trinity really blurs the relationship between God and Jesus and is a source of confusion for many. You can find more information on this particular subject from this link. http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_04.htm

Answer 2

In Mark 13:32 He tells that only the father knows the day of judgement. Think of the American gov't it has three branches just like God but it is considered still one Gov't. Each branch has it's own territory to take care of and things get done. Jesus doesn't take care of judgement. Only God, kinda like the supreme court judges those bad crimes against the
country, Jesus says he has nothing to do with that not even the angels.

Mark 10:18 he's proving a point with that line. That no man is good. For he is God and human at the same time he is Divine but his humanity makes him not good. Note: this doesn't mean he is evil or bad or malicious, just means he is not good. Even in math there is a neutral number 0

In Matthew 24:36 the quote is repeated twice

John 5:30 -32 He cannot do anything without His Father. God tells him what to do and he does it. He cannot perform miracles if he is told not to. Or if he didn't receive a word. It also means by himself he can't judge anybody that's not his job His job is to create a relationship with those here on earth.

Answer 3

First, "In the Bible Jesus (pbuh) admits he doesn't even know the day of Judgement: Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36", those verses say:
Matt 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels in heaven, but my father only."
Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heave, neither the son, but the father."

These are both stating that Jesus doesn't know the day or hour that he is to come back... only GOD does... I know that you are going to say "but i thought that they were all the same person... they are all the same person, but they are different at the same time...

Second: "Furthermore he cannot even do anything from himself: John 5:30-32" These verses say
John 5:30-32 "i can of mine own self do nothing: as i hear, i judge: and my judgment is just; becuase i seek not imne own will, but the will of the Fther which hath sent me.
If i bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
There is another that beareth witness of me; and i know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true."
This is saying that Jesus doesn't do the stuff himself, he does it through GOD...

Third: "Not only does he not claim divinity, he is humble enough to refuse to be called 'Good': Mark 10:18" This verse says
Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, 'why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, GOD"
Here he isn't saying that GOD isn't good... he is saying that GOD is the only one that is good...

Answer 4

ohnoitsad...,
"In the Bible Jesus (pbuh) admits he doesn't even know the day of Judgement: Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36"

What you aren't aware of is that He emptied Himself;
Philippians 2:7
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. (NASB)

So that ignorance that He stated He HAD, before the authority was given to Him by the Father.

"Furthermore he cannot even do anything from himself: John 5:30-32"
That's because He was to bring Glory to the Father in Heaven.

"Not only does he not claim divinity, he is humble enough to refuse to be called 'Good': Mark 10:18"
That's not what He said. He didn't say that in that verse. He was just asking the man to illustrate what good was to God. People think that they can be 'good.' But if there ever was anything more clear in the Bible (you should read it sometime), it's that men are NOT good. Not by God's standards.

"So what kind of God is it you worship that is not Good, does not know the Hour, and can't do anything by himself?"
The one that will judge all men for their vain words. I worship the same one that was worshipped here, in that New Testament that you selectively remark on:

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?"
36"Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him."
37 Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you."
38 Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.
39 Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"
41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Answer 5

True Christians have no trouble handling your question because they are aware that Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God, not God the Son or even God himself. John 3:16 CLEARLY says that it was not God who came to earth; it was his Son. Jesus does not know everything God knows, including the "day and hour." Only God knows. The confusion in most churches centers around the unbiblical doctrine of the trinity, which teaches that Jesus is God.

Matt. 24:36 blows another big hole in the trinity doctrine. It says: "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of heaven nor the Son, but only the Father." If the Holy Spirit is part of the triune godhead, why is it as ignorant as the Son concerning the day and hour?

Answer 6

Yes Jesus or any of the other angels do not know the day or the hou,r only the true God of the whole universe knows that so since Jesus is not God but Gods son therefore you see he does not know that time, and therefore as you said he does not claim divinity or does not do his own will but obeys God as he himself said in John8:55
if he were God then he would not need to observe anyone else's Law would he But he is not God, he is God's son!

Answer 7

Further support of the fact that God and Jesus are separate beings. God is the Father of Jesus, therefore superior, and he alone knows the day and hour. In the scripture you've quoted, John 5:30, Jesus says that he seeks to only do the will of him that SENT him, his Father.

Answer 8

Confusing wording but I think I get what you're asking. Jesus mentioned that he doesnt know the day of judgement and the future BUT was careful to say that ONLY G-D knows. From a Chrisitan perspective, Jesus was G-d but also in human flesh, limited to things like "saving himself from the cross" and so on.
My view is that G-d DOES know the "hour" not Jesus.

Answer 9

A mother is going to have a baby... she knows the baby will come but not the hour nor the day. When her body is ready, it will happen. Jesus says He does not know the day nor the hour, only the Father knows. This is just like the mother's knowledge. In fact, Jesus also uses childbirth as an analogy for these times.

Answer 10

You must be Muslim. Peace Be Upon Him (pbuh)

If you are going to quote the Bible, please leave it in context:

John 5:30 "I can of Mine own self do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father who hath sent Me." Jesus was saying that He sought the will of His Father.

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man -- no, not the angels who are in Heaven, neither the Son, but only the Father." Again He defers to his Heavenly Father. The same with Matthew 24:36

Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, "Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God" He was correcting a young ruler who had called him good, deferring again to His heavenly Father. he was also obeying Jewish law in not calling anything but God "good."

The God I worship is a Holy Trinity. Jesus came to Earth to die for our sins and give glory to His Father in Heaven. He revealed himself as the Christ only to his disciples, not to the public. That is why He continually referred seekers back to the one source of truth, our Father in Heaven. If He had come to Earth and proclaimed His Godhood, He would have been detracting from His Father instead of giving glory to him. And yes, He was humble. He humbled Himself as a man to take upon Himself the sins of all the world, even yours.

May God richly bless you in your search for truth.