Very cool. New information to explain further that Jesus seems to be a regurgitation of other gods.
2006-11-22 12:13:58
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answered by Snark 7
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It's only a sleight of hand due to the homophonic relationship of sun/son in the ENGLISH language. That's literally all there is. "Son" and "Sun" in Aramaic are completely unrelated. Of course, it's not unreasonable if we forget that there was a translation of concepts to English and instead think only in the English language (especially when we see the halo/sun correlation and the light/sun correlation). The 'son' concept (something extending/created by another) has always been used in spiritual symbolism because it's foundational in humans (which is why we have 'god the father' and 'his son' and we're all 'his children', etc. etc.). And light is a common symbol as well because we know there's the concept of 'seeing' spiritual truths and those who embody it are symbolized as radiating the truth or the 'light of truth'. So it's natural to use these symbols when presenting Jesus (e.g. the Son of God, the Son of Man, the Light of the World). And it was also reasonable for early people to worship the Sun, given their perception of what it did for them (and it would also even be natural if the Sun were used as a symbol for Jesus given the whole 'light' metaphor). But now here's the subtle part that's the crux: think if the english word for Sun were 'Concraph'. Because now there's no homophonic relationship with 'Son', the video's premise wouldn't even be made (and the human tendency to relate things wouldn't have gone into overdrive with the fact that the 'Concraph' emits light and people at one time were Concraph worshippers). And this is how it is in Aramaic. It's VERY VERY important to understand that their etymologies are completely different and unrelated and the conveyed concepts are unrelated. However, it IS very very interesting and a weird coincidence that there is a homophonic relationship between such strong spiritual symbols (and the history of worship of both). I hope this is getting the point across; mea culpa if it isn't.
2006-11-22 12:25:19
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answered by Anonymous
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Well, actually... the times (Christmas --> Winter Solstice, Easter --> Vernal Equinox) match up because when the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, it set those dates in order to convert nature- and sun-worshipping Pagans. That way, the Pagans could continue to have their festivals on the same dates.
Why do this? Because once converted, the Pagans had to pay taxes to the Roman Empire.
The rest of the information, however, can be explained thus: Christianity is an amalgamation of Pagan beliefs that have been applied to a historical figure. Unfortunately, the religion has since become pompous and begun to persecute the religions it borrowed from at its advent.
2006-11-22 12:46:48
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answered by Anonymous
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The video was fairly good and drew some logical parallels. It really tries to explain what the Bible is trying to explain.
Jesus was a man know by most of the world today. He and Ishmael were both decedents of Abraham. God was created by man because man does not want to die. It is the same God for Muslim, Christan, and Jew. We do have everlasting life through our children and grandchildren.
The Bible introduces Creationism (something from nothing) in Chapter One of Genesis and evolution (something from something) in Chapter two. The Bible is mostly symbolic, but we could ask how long were the days of Creation. They are as long as you want to believe. If you believe God did this, each day could be as long as the blink of an eye, a flash, or a big bang ... and it's still going on today in space.
Let people believe what they will, but practice the "Golden Rule."
2006-11-22 13:01:24
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answered by Pey 7
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FAR more interesting than the video are the comments posted by you folk about it, especially interested by the more, ummm, steadfast in your faith. Ive always wondered about "I wont watch that kind of filth as i wouldnt want it to taint my image of my God" - surely if your faith was that strong nothing could turn you away from Him?
People go on and on about muslims being the 'evil radical religion' - well, perhaps re-read some of the comments posted on here by strong faith christians and tell me what the differences are - to be painfully honest more and more christians seem to be forgetting about the 'turn the other cheek', 'love they neighbour' and 'forgivness' and turn incredibaly verbally violent when anyone dare to question their faith.... my interest is that it is only a small step from being verbally violent to simply violent...
anyway, an interesting article, but incredibly naive to not expect and outburst of anger at showing it :)
2006-11-22 12:35:03
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answered by Anonymous
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Seriously, I was getting ready to blast you one holy vonacular bomb, but after watching that i realize that it is not needed.
I found it to be quite enjoyable and acknowleged that it's simular to a theory of have about the sun and god also. This was well thought out and put to gather very well. I also agree with a comment left on you tube also. religion is the great divide for man kind and without we would not have all of these wars and other sad events tacking place in the world. but then again based on the first argumnent for evil I could be wrong/ Just incase there is anyone that is lost. The 1st argument for evil is that evil must exist in oder for good to exist.
and the beatles playing was cool too! I sense the author use of may have been symbolic to peace!.
2006-11-22 12:27:36
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answered by goodtimes_court 1
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Well, they've gone to far and are inaccurate.
But Christendom is indeed full of pagan worship including mixing sun-god worship into Christianity.
True Christians do not celebrate the holidays.
1Co 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
2006-11-22 12:43:45
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answered by rangedog 7
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The act of *worship* is inherently demeaning because it says you are a less valuable entity than the thing you worship. That said, I see little difference between worshipping a huge, hot ball of burning hydrogen, and a bag full of hot air like Jesus Christ.
Actually, strike that. It's less demeaning to worship the sun. At least the sun gives the earth life.
As for the video, it's nothing I didn't already know.
2006-11-22 12:47:58
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answered by Anonymous
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Wow, it's really hard not to be negative after watching one of the most pathetic attempts to disprove the existence Jesus Christ and his proclamation that He was the Son of God.
Aside from the fact that several of the "points" mentioned in the presentation are either somewhat misleading or completely false, the idea that the existence of a Man that has been proven to be as historically real as Julius Caesar, Leonardo Divinci, or George Washington has for thousands of years been mistakenly confused with that of the "Sun" is utter nonsense.
It's understandable if you don't want to believe or accept that Jesus Christ is your Saviour and that He died for your sins, but to try and discredit is existence falls along the lines of trying to disprove that the Earth is round.
It's apparent that someone spent quite a bit of time with this presentation, and to someone who is completely ignorant of all aspects of history and historical facts, it may be somewhat convincing.
The "sun" is the English name for the largest star in our solar system, and the word "Son" as used in the Bible has a totally different meaning. "Sun" in Greek is Helios or Ilios, while "Son" is gios.
I'm sure someone else will go in to great depths to disprove the presentation, but I, personally, refuse to waste any more time with it.
2006-11-22 12:31:28
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answered by cardinalfanusa 3
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well ...... if your gonna compair Jesus to a sun you'll have to do better than that. I got something for you. In Greek son translates to γιος and sun to ήλιος and Greek is where this myth would have started so it is just a coincidence and nothing more. And maybe by great Devinne God made it like that so you and i could under stand better who God is. If you would like to contact me my email is indoisfun@gmail.com
2006-11-22 13:16:14
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answered by james 1
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Son of God is indeed biblically referred to as the "sun of righteousness"; But that is biblical "allegory", not astrology. The video focus on the sun isn't even spiritual of natural/spiritual. The allegory for "that God" is Light void of darkness is that God is Grace void of law; which is notably how the God Shew ends:
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
2006-11-22 12:57:29
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answered by Anonymous
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