are there any records that JC was ever born ?

Question

or any other record that he really existed?

Answer 1

christians : hellooooooo !
it is obvious this question cannot be answer with your stupid " it is in the bible " ....duh !
the question is about records, like the ones the city make? got it now christians?
something that recorded anything about his existance at the time he existed.
is there anything?
nothing?
how convinient .....

there were no birth certificates back then, but there was a census ?
there were no death certificates back then, but there was a trial where he was sentenced to death ?

howcome ,christians, there is nothing about this jesus guy?

Answer 2

Outside the bible? No. But, to be fair, birth records weren't exactly kept in those days.

The real question is, what other facts of his life can we verify? Was there a town called Nazareth at that time? No contemporary source claims there was. That's not to say it didn't exist, but there is no absolute proof. Even the archeological record says Nazareth didn't exist.

Oh, and check here (http://www.british-israel.ca/tacitus.htm) for the "references" to Jesus mentioned above. All were written well after Jesus died. The first states there were Christians; that doesn't necessarily mean Jesus existed. The second mentions Chrestus, who, according to Seutonius, lived in Rome; a far different story than that in the gospel. The third, the works of Josephus, are most likely interpolations (after all, why would a Jew call Jesus the messiah?); even if they aren't, they were still written after Jesus died. I'll just stop there.

There are a lot of questions revolving around Jesus. Why does Paul never mention the virgin birth? Who were the twelve disciples? The entire gospel narrative is a retelling of the story of Moses mixed with a few other things. Why are the contemporary records filled with so many other gods who are exactly like Jesus? To name a few: Mithras, Dionysus, and Apollo of Tyanus. In fact, the record is so replete with them that early church fathers (e.g. Justin Martyr) claimed the devil had planted the story of Jesus over many thousands of years just to discredit him when he was born.

In the end, I think one must be agnostic on the actual existence of Jesus. And, even if he were real, the myth of Jesus is far more important than the truth. Even as an atheist, I find a lot to learn from the gospels, especially in various retellings, such as The Last Temptation of Christ. Doesn't mean I think he's real, though.

Answer 3

Just a while ago I saw a photo of the grave marker of Jesus brother. It was real, just as were the walls of Jericho that they have dug up along with the scientific proof that there was a great flood on this earth. Jesus did not have a grave marker because he was laid in a borrowed tomb and raised from the dead.
To the person who said it was written 200-300 years after he was born,...that is not true. John wrote a gospel, a few other books and Revelation. Yes, he lived to be very old, but he was not 200-300 years old. Neither was Matthew and Mark and Luke, 2 of which walked with Jesus. And Peter, who was also crucified, gave his account before he died. Paul wrote much of the New Testament, which was certainly not 200-300 years after Jesus was born. There are other books apart from the Bible which give an account of Jesus' life.
I say this to all.....if you cannot at least believe the historical proof that Jesus walked upon this earth, because that is what is recorded, then you better throw away all accounts of Caesar, Da Vinci, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson,Joan of Ark, Queen Mary, Napoleon, Christopher Columbus, Benjamin Franklin and even Buddha and Muhammad, because no one is alive now who can give an account to any of these...it is all in history and it seems that only the account of Jesus is questioned and thrown out........I wonder why!!!!

Answer 4

You have his disciples and as historian Will Durant said, it's pretty hard to imagine a group of people just making this person up (and actually dieing for their belief in this made-up person).

Besides this sort of 'common sense' idea of history there is nothing else. The people mentioning Josephus(?) need to read that 'historical' account. It is clearly a forgery.

added later:
STONE ROLLED got a lot of recs, so I challenge him and any of the people recommending his post to show these 'many' historical documents.

There are none, except the paragraph that was clearly added by someone else into Josephus's writings.

Answer 5

Do you mean a record written by somebody who saw or knew JC at that definite time and place. (I think NO), but billions wrote about him before and later up till now.

Answer 6

What do you call the Bible? It is a written record of his existance, independantly verified to be factual in many if not all ways, (check into the existance of Pontius Pilate, thought not to exist until archeological evidence was found) Verifying the accuracy of the Bible is one way of establishing it as factual. There may even be archeological evidence of Jesus, but I have no direct knowledge of it as of this time. I guess I need to renew my subscription to "Archeology Today"

And Starfish, the new testament was completed no later than 66 years after Jesus Death by the Apostle John who complete Revalation on the Island of Patmos before 100 AD, check your facts. Giving incorrect information just makes you appear dumb.

Answer 7

The New Testament of The Holy Bible is the only record of Jesus' birth, life and death, and most of it was written 200-300 years after Jesus died. Most scholars agree the earliest book of the New Testament (1 Thessalonians) was perhaps written around 51 A.D. and has been attributed to the Apostle Paul which is unverifiable. No literate person of Jesus' own time ever mentioned him in any known writing or recorded anything about him at all. Nobody who had anything to do with writing the gospels ever knew or saw Jesus, including the Apostle Paul.

Well Paul S., you should check the provable facts because what you say is pure myth, cannot be verified, and you are in fact mistaken.

Answer 8

There is more written recorded evidence of the existence of Jesus than there is of anyone you can think of today. Besides the books of the Bible there exists a myriad of manuscripts that support the life and events of Christ.------He cannot be explained away.

Answer 9

The birth, I'm not sure if anything exsits today, but there would have been a census record (that's why Mary & Joseph went back to the City of David to begin with).

1) The first-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world, mentioned superstitious "Christians " ("named after Christus" which is Latin for Christ), who suffered under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius.

2) Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote that there was a man named Chrestus (or Christ) who lived during the first century (Annals 15.44 ).

3) Flavius Josephus is the most famous Jewish historian. In his Antiquities he refers to James, “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” There is a controversial verse (18:3) that says, "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats. . . . He was [the] Christ . . . he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him." One version reads, "At this time there was a wise man named Jesus. His conduct was good and [he] was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who became his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive; accordingly he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders."

4) Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ (Extant Writings, 18).

5) Pliny the Younger, in Letters 10:96, recorded early Christian worship practices including the fact that Christians worshiped Jesus as God and were very ethical, and includes a reference to the love feast and Lord’s Supper.

6) The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover, and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.

7) Lucian of Samosata was a second-century Greek writer who admits that Jesus was worshiped by Christians, introduced new teachings, and was crucified for them. He said that Jesus' teachings included the brotherhood of believers, the importance of conversion, and the importance of denying other gods. Christians lived according to Jesus’ laws, believed themselves immortal, and were characterized by contempt for death, voluntary self-devotion, and renunciation of material goods.

8) Mara Bar-Serapion confirms that Jesus was thought to be a wise and virtuous man, was considered by many to be the king of Israel, was put to death by the Jews, and lived on in the teachings of his followers.

9) Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.

You can almost reconstruct the gospel just from early non-Christian sources:
Jesus was called the Christ (Josephus), did “magic,” led Israel into new teachings, and was hanged on Passover for them (Babylonian Talmud) in Judea (Tacitus), but claimed to be God and would return (Eliezar), which his followers believed - worshipping Him as God (Pliny the Younger).

Answer 10

Yes