why are atheists becoming revisionists?

Question

1. the treaty of tripoli is not a founding legal document of th US.
2. Read the constitution people. it recognizes the CHRISTIAN GOD not the islamic god or karma.
3. the legal foundation of the US is the Constitution. an the following years were governed by the men who had a hand in writing, and ratifying it. They SURELY knew what it was all about, much more than AN living college prof. (liberal OR conservative)
These men also built STATE constitutions that REQUIRED that CHRISTIANITY be the religion for governors and other public servants, although a particular denomination was never an issue or requirement!

I m VERY tired of the false intellectuals who know NOTHING or very little, claiming that these things, supported by mountains of documents from the founding fathers that ABSOLUTELY ESTABLISHES the CHRISTIAN underpinnings of the USA!
STOP LYING!!!!

Forgive my mistake of stating the Constitution and not the Declaration of Independence
God is mentioned one time and creator one time.
This was quite enough, as it was a document directed toward a country that w 'official' a Christian nation, or at least had an official national church.
The Constitution, was devoid of references to God, creator, etc...
My point still stands, based on the basis of the federal government:
1. was not ever to be the monster we have today
2.AGAIN states (that were to MUCH more sovereign than thy now are) had REQUIREMENTS o being CHRISTIAN and NO this was not unconstitutional. These same founders had MUCH to do in both the federal and state constitutions, so they would know if they were breaking the rules they battled so had to create!
3.MANY, MANY papers,letters, etc... by the founding fathers back up hat the government was to stay out of the church, NOT EVER the other way around!

Answer 1

1. the treaty of tripoli is not a founding legal document of th US.

A. True, but it is still important because it declares that America is not going to be a Christian state like the theocracies of Europe were. It does not mean "America has no Christian history or people" because you can't make a law saying, "we have no Christian history". It deals with the federal government. Afterall, several states at that time had an official religion and a larger number restricted political office to Protestants. Thus it deals with the federal government being secular.

2. Read the constitution people. it recognizes the CHRISTIAN GOD not the islamic god or karma.

A. The only reference is "in the year of our Lord" which is of course referring to Jesus. Regardless, that does not mean the Constitution itself is Christian because it, among other things, allowed slavery, denied women voting rights, denied any provision to protect the Indians, and the Senate was chosen by the House of Representatives.

3. the legal foundation of the US is the Constitution. an the following years were governed by the men who had a hand in writing, and ratifying it. They SURELY knew what it was all about, much more than AN living college prof. (liberal OR conservative)
These men also built STATE constitutions that REQUIRED that CHRISTIANITY be the religion for governors and other public servants, although a particular denomination was never an issue or requirement!

A. Well despite the fact that many states set up their own religious denomination, the federal constitution is nonetheless quite secular. The laws are not noticably based from Biblical scritpure, but instead a vast array of sources ranging from the Roman Senate to the Greek polis to the British Parliament and so on. The thought that the Old Testament was the guidebook to Constitutional law is quite a baseless claim.

And for those bound to say it - no the Founding Fathers were not overwhelmingly Deists. Franklin certainly wasn't, his religious views changed throughout his life. Adams was a Unitarian, not a Deist. Jefferson was a Unitarian although he was closer to Deist than the rest of his group. Washington was an Episcopalian and so was Madison. John Quincy Adams was also a Unitarian. There is a big difference between Unitarian and Deist. Thomas Paine, though not a Founding Father, was a true Deist but even he was far from being an Atheist. I could give quotes to back this up but I have over 560 handwritten pages from over 300 books, so frankly you can wait for my book to come out in a few years.

Answer 2

OK, two things:
One, neither the constitution nor the declaration of independence EVER mentions "the christian god." They make vague references to "god," but never say which god they're talking about. Hardly surprising, since the majority of the founders and writers *were* christians (but not all), but even mostly being christians they were still VERY careful to insist that no one religion or lack of religion ever be a "state" religion, because they knew very well how bad states linked to religion could be.

Second, even though most of the founders were christians and believed in god...so what? They were men of their time, and in the 1700's it was *expected* that one should believe in god. They weren't "prophets" or fortune-tellers, they couldn't possibly anticipate the explosion of knowledge that has occurred in the past 200+ years that has thrown off the shackles of ignorance and dogma and given us natural explanations for many things that were once considered "supernatural" or from god. That the founders were mostly christian means only that the founders were mostly christian -- it does NOT mean they meant to form a christian-based government. In fact they specifically founded a government based on NO religion, to their credit.

Any state constitution, by the way, that had any kind of religious requirement for political offices were found to be in violation of the federal constitution long ago. LONG ago. By the very government (the judicial branch) that you claim to be christian. The US government does not agree with your claims or positions.

I'll leave you with a quote from Benjamin Franklin, one of the primary authors of both the declaration of independence and the constitution:

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. "

Answer 3

Actually, the Constitution does not mention either god or Chirst. The only reference to religion appears in the First Amendment in which it states that Congress can make no laws establishing religion. If what you say is true, then the Constitution, itself, would have been hypocritical. I think you would benefit from reading it.

Answer 4

Right, see, the biggest thing is that the founders very clearly created a DEMOCRACY. You cannot have a democracy run by the church (that would be a theocracy). So, it should be pretty clear to everyone that the founders intended this country be a democracy. I don't see how you can say they wanted a democracy founded on a religion as that simply isn't possible.

Answer 5

Read Jeff Sharlet's cover-story in the December issue of Harper's Magazine , "God Blessed America: How the Christian Right is Reinventing U.S. History"

Answer 6

Behold, thank to the wonders of the internets- the full text of the US Constitution
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
The full text of the constiution is on that page, I hit Ctrl+F and did a search within that document for "god" "jesus" "creator" and other related terms- all came up blank.

Anyway, even IF the US was founded as a Christian country, why in the world should it stay that way?

Answer 7

stop being dishonest.

1. never heard of that one.
2. It does refer to god, not necessarily a Christian one. But more importantly, it guarantees freedmon of religion for ALL>
3. The founding fathers were Deists, and saw god as transcendant. They were not fundies by even the stretchiest definitions.

The underpinnings of the US were about freedom, including religious freedom - not about advancing Christianity. Europe and Salem taught the FFs to keep religion and government separate.

You would do well to follwo their example, not reinterpret it for a zealot's cause.

Answer 8

Although it is true you had to have church affiliation to hold office, the Constitution never mentions God, much less Jesus. I think you are overstating your case, much like atheists overstate the number of deists among the Founding Fathers.

Answer 9

I think it's silly that this whole argument even exists. True Christians are to be "no part of the world." (John 17:16) This especially applies to the worlds political scene, which will soon be destroyed forever.

Answer 10

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