Who is the morning star Jesus or Lucifer?

Question

In Isaiah 14:12 Lucifer is called the son of the morning and lucier means (according to Strong's Concordance) 1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

But Jesus is referred to as both the day star and morning star.
2Pet.1
2Pet.1
[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Rev.22
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

What a contradiction.... right or wrong?

Answer 1

It has really interesting implications doesn't it.

Although I am not a Christian, I have read their Bible many times - initially in a sincere effort to understand their persective and later merely out of my facination for all faiths religions and mythologies. Most Christians claim that it is not correct 'interpretation' but I think it is far more likely that this is one of the real hidden mystical aspects of the religion that most Christians are afraid to explore.

In fact, I have always considered this one of the most interesting details because the implications are so completely startling. If it means what it seems to say, as both you and I seem to see it - then the message of the gospel is that Jesus did not incarnate for the sake of mankind - but instead to reconcile God with Lucifer. There is an implication in the last quote (the one from revelations) that Jesus is claiming to be the son of David -and- the Morning Star... which could be interpreted to mean that he literally combined the two lines of descent.

This would make him the last of the Nephelim. By becoming a bridge between the outcast hybrids of human and angelic beings, and simultaneously the chosen and favoured line of David - the purpose of his death on the cross was to break the curse on the fallen - so that they would be able to return to heaven. Once the law was broken by God - it no longer would be a barrier to any of the fallen/outcasts (or to man for that matter - but that would be a mere beneficial "side effect"...)

It sure puts a different spin on things - but it may also explain why Jesus says what he does about have had to decend first before he could ascend to be with God.

Feel free to email me ad we can discuss it further if you like. Thanks for asking such a great question.

Answer 2

Lucifer is the son of the morning in that he was/is the first created of the angels. Even though he is a fallen angel, he is still an angel and the greatest of them all.

Jesus is referred to as the day star and the morning star in that he is the first born of God - the daystar is, of course, the sun, which brings light into the darkness. The morning star is, actually, the planet Venus, but it is the first light that is seen after a dark night, a pre-morning light.

Not a contradiction at all. Also, do not take the bible literally...remember that Isaiah and Peter's letters are written centuries apart by very different men trying to say very different things and talking about very different matters.

Answer 3

The actual Hebrew word hay-lale does not mean "star" but "bright or clear sounding" [as in singing Hallelujah] although it also denotes "brightly colored or shining", and appropriately, "boastfulness and pride". If the intended meaning was "star", the Hebrew word for star , kochob "a round rolling object", would have been used.

The phrase, "son of morning" should read "son of the dawning", as in "the earliest" or "the first" -- God created the angels at the dawn of all of His creation. A more accurate English translation from the Hebrew should read, "O clear sounding, boasting son from the beginning", describing this rebel angel who was cast by God from the heavens.

Answer 4

Lucifer is the usurper to the throne of G-d in Isaiah (et al). that's the reason He became into forged oout of Heaven and could finally be forged to the lake of fire. enable me intricate basically slightly. there's a coaching in accordance with this particualr verse meaning that between Gen a million:a million and Gen a million:2 an adventure befell (there is likewise yet another possiblility for this and it pertains to Journalism). This adventure became into the place Lucifer (an angel) desperate that he might desire to and might grow to be G-d (insurrection spirit). in this technique there became right into a considerable upheaval, and incredibly what has come out of it has grow to be a spiritual opposition (because it have been). In Revelations nonetheless we see that Yeshua (Jesus) is the overcomer. in actuality the Psalms (Psalm 8:3-5)anticipate that on the initiating He could be slightly decrease then the angels, taking the situation of a servant, and then be topped with everalsting Glord. Which in consequence has occurred right here. undergo in recommendations that devil (Lucifer) is a defeated foe. he's even now flailing around attempting to deprave all of us utilizing the comparable methods that He did with Yeshua following His barren region journey. In that temptation, devil twisted scripture additionally.

Answer 5

"Lucifer" was not one of God's angels. The name Lucifer appears only one time in the Bible, in Isaiah 14:12 which is in the OT. The original Old Testament text was written in Hebrew, but the name Lucifer is Latin in origin, not Hebrew. Also, the name Lucifer did not appear in the Bible UNTIL the first publication of the King James version in 1611 c.e. The original "Lucifer" was a minor Roman Pagan deity.

Answer 6

As you can see Satan is called "morning star" and Jesus is referred to as "The Bright and Morning Star" they are 2 different things just as there are many stars in the sky but the sun is the brightest. Sometimes just a little language study can help the confusion.

Answer 7

Lone is correct ,my friend,also I would like to add that the phrase in Isiah he's referring to "how art thou fallen from heaven,Lucifer ,son of the morning?"Refers to the king Belshazzar NOT the devil,as will be clearly seen by anyone who reads the verse IN CONTEXT! It was Catholic priests who decided they were talking about the devil,some time in the middle ages,and just like the idea that all witches make pacts with satan and sacrifice babies ,the idea stuck.But it is a load of crap,the word "Lucifer" means" light-bearer",kinda strange name for the "Prince of Darkness",huh?

Answer 8

No contradiction.

Isaiah is using the term to deride Satan, not to honor him. Satan is the pretender, who is the star of the morning only in his own twisted mind.

Kind of like calling a stupid idiot who thinks he's smart, but isn't, Einstein.

As a fallen one, even though he might be able to appear as an angel of light, his brilliance is as nothing, compared to God's.

Answer 9

There is no contradiction Jesus is the bright morning star lucifer is not nor has he ever been such Gorbalizer

Answer 10

Jesus in the Revelation verse was also making a blatant claim about being the true God of Victory, as Venus in mythology is the diety of victory. Jesus is asserting that true victory comes from him.