Intelligent? design, solution or paradox?

Question

The logic used when explaining life using intelligent design is as follows. Things which are complex like watches rather than rocks must have been made by something equally or more complex not less complex (rocks don’t make watches). This seems fine until you realise that the watchmaker is complex and using the same logic and without twisting it the watchmaker must have been made (a watchmaker maker). I think we can all see where this is going, endless makers of infinite levels of complexity. So are we to conclude that creation via intelligent design involves an infinite string of infinitely complex creators. It doesn’t sound so intelligent to me but I am a scientist and I haven’t heard the whole argument, that I am sure. Tell me creationists what did I miss, logical answers only please.

Answer 1

you didn't miss anything, intelligent design theory is a unintelligible design theory

Answer 2

Right, there is a watch. Where did it come from? The watchmaker! There is a car. Where did it come from? The watchmaker! No? That argument might support polytheism a bit better.

But we are talking about biology as opposed to mechanical items. A watch will not build it's self. A wind storm will not randomly take the pieces of a watch and put them together. Natural selection on the other hand is in no way random though. Just slight progressions over time

It is complex and no one understands evolution, but that does not make it wrong. You may as well say "I, , do not understand , therefor it can not possibly be true"
I don't think you missed a thing

Answer 3

Yes, "Turtles all does the way down" does have it's limitations, but both the Creator viewpoint and the Big Bang one have either to take on board an uncaused cause (quantum fluctuation and inflation, in the latter case?) or find a way to dance around that idea.

As for intelligent design, it's with the bits of the human body that have been so badly designed that I have more problems. Elements of the human eye, the male prostate gland, wisdom teeth...

The proffered answer appears to be
the doctrine of The Fall.
Which appears to be a case of multiplying entities.

Answer 4

Only one supreme watchmaker, plus archeological evidences, plus no half man half animal fossils, and sodom and gomorrah found, only micro evolution and each species contained in itself.
In 2 Timothy read the following:Chapter 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Answer 5

Sorry - there are no logical responses to a question regarding Creationism.....

You are absolutely correct - If complex things require creation from even more complex creators, then the creator too would require a Creator that is even more complex. However, your logic is lost on those that actually think that they can end it all by imply stating that God does not require a Creator and that he has always existed....

what I cant understand is why that response does not also fit for the universe - it simply doesnt require a creator and has always been there. There - end of argument. My universe is as magical in its existence as your God. (not YOUR god, but you get my drift...)


PS. Thumbs down are WELCOMED! They tell me that I am speaking the truth and really getting to your people....

Answer 6

Stop berating the poor creatures, freedom of thought should be encouraged and that goes both ways! We can barely comprehend the infinitiveness of the universe, our place in it and we only know within the parameters of our own knowledge, possibly you more than most, but that is still pretty limited. Until there is evidence lets just keep the questions coming and the answers questioned.

Answer 7

Do we really comprehend everything?

Each life form is an important unit in the overall pattern, and there is an interdependency of all these forms. The variety of living things, the instincts that they display and the mechanisms or equipment that animals have, on the one hand, for hunting their food and, on the other hand, for survival of their species, exhibit an intelligence that is not their own—in fact, it is far above anything that even intelligent man could conceive of or devise.

Among living things on earth, both plant and animal, there is amazing complexity. Yet, in the provision for continuation of life—the great diversity of methods, all of them ingenious and perfectly effective—there are grounds for even greater amazement.

For plants to serve their indispensable purpose as the foundation of all animal life, they, or their fruit, must be eaten. Accordingly, plants must have a means of propagation in order to continue as a food source. They must die, decay and be renewed, reproducing their kind regularly and indefinitely. Do we find design in this arrangement?

Consider the methods of propagation that vegetation employs. Plants usually produce seed prolifically. This is essential, for tons of seeds are eaten as food by insects, birds, other creatures, and by humans. Now, if only one seed, or a few, would be produced by a plant, such would be eaten and that species of plant would disappear. Also, seeds fall on many sorts of terrain and some never germinate. Unfavorable weather, fungus and other factors may prevent many seeds from sprouting. For this reason there must be liberal seed production. Therefore, it is not, as some have said, that “nature is very wasteful.” Rather, it is prolific, and there appears to be design in this liberality. It is necessary that plants produce hundreds, even thousands, of seeds. Some trees yield millions of seeds per acre. Certainly we cannot say that such prodigious seed production does not serve a purpose. And does not purpose require design?

And we can go on and on and on…..

Answer 8

Pseudo-science is never going to make an impression on the scientific community, ID is a joke mainly because it is wrong, secondly because it's a cynical attempt to subvert science purely to get religion back into the classroom through the back door.

Answer 9

it is trying to make out religion is a science and it is not haveing a fake god as the creator it has failed in the courts

Answer 10

There is nothing to miss.
Children whistling in the dark, drowning people clutching at straws - how much logic is to be expected?
Either you believe in a supreme being, or you don't. There is no way to prove anything either way.

Answer 11

Or maybe one supreme being the creator that created all things.
As a scientist you have obviously seen how complex these designs are do you really feel that they have happened by accident or evolved that way? I think you have answered your own question.

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