why do you think Jesus Christ is real? both as a person and God.?

Question

Kenneth, youre an idiot

RB, the Quran says something different, why not believe it? do you believe anythign that is written down?

Tom, I agree. but i dont think its polite to call the christian religion a fairy tail. ...i think it is a cult mindset. and a system which traps people. ...but not a fairy tail. fairy tails are innocent.

Yeshua... first of all, ...i take it that is the name God gave you?

second, dont cut and paste on me, if you cant take the time to write me an answer then dont expect me to read for 2 minutes.

thirdly, from what i did read your concept of God is awfully complex. ...sure sucks to be a stupid person cause if i can barely understand it then they are doomed to hell.

Donald, I think you misread. ...if you didnt misread... youre an idiot

sweet16, some other names that are all over the world:

pepsi, allah, zues, tom cruise...

acc, could you support this with scripture please?

also, ...even if you can find a scripture which says this, it does absolutely nothing to support your belief that Jesus is God. Do you see the circle with no way in?

hazel eyes:


A human being , can not be God,
A. I believe in the bible it says otherwise
A created thing can not be God
A. why not?
A mortal body can not be God
A. why not?
Jesus Christ was the God's messenger and one of His greatest prophets.
A. theres a forum fuill of christians here who would say youre wrong and that Jesus was God. ...what makes you right and them wrong?

daleswife, jesus christ lives inside of you? show me this and i will believe. ..unfortunately you cannot. all youve really got is a state of mind.

brother, that is a good argument.

unfortunately the entire argument is from a book whose validity is at the heart of my question. if the bible is true, then all of those things are true. however if the bible is false, then your argument is also false. so i will extend my question for you, how do you know that the bible is the word of God?

dewcoons, that was a good and thoughtful answer!

my reply and thoughts:

1.) if the bible is the truth then it would be accurate to call mathew, mark, luke, and john biographies. however if they are false then obviously they are not a biography. ...you using the word biography is kind of like using a word to define itself. you cant do it. i will extend my question to you also, what makes you believe that the bible is the truth? isnt it possible that someone just made it all up? i mean couldnt i just write a story about something that happened 100 years ago? i could say anything i wanted and i would tell people my story has been around for 70 years even though i had just made it up yesterday. i could say there was a man who flew and 1 million people saw it and were converted. and if i had other systems of control implemented in my religion such as an eternity in hell it might be pretty easy to go along with what i was preaching.

2.)islam exploded also. i dont know all the number

...numbers like you do but i know that it exploded. and so have many religions throughout history. ...i think christianity is just one huge cult. i have tried very hard in believing in Christ so i understand some f what it is like. the beliefs of hell and of doing what you think God demands you do. ...those things can very easily and very quickly take complete control over a person and a religion can spread across the world within a few years very quickly. ...even if its a lie.

3.) but the same thing can be said for people of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. ...that is a universal theme of all religions.

4.) i cant argue with that

...you gave me the best answer and ill make sure to give you your 10 points. i dont know if my reply was a good and logical enough reply to your answer but i tried. ..its a lot more fun talking to people when they know what they are talking about and have information and logic to bring to the table. ...you did a good job, thanks for answering.

Answer 1

Yes I do. Do you?

Answer 2

The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to adequately explain it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are, therefore we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean it is not true or not based on the teachings of the Bible.
Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. With the introduction out of the way, Bible verses will be given in discussion of the Trinity.
1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).
5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God's greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34)

Answer 3

1) Historical records of his existence. Beyond the four biographies of him known as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, there are passages in the writings of the Jewish (non-Christian) historian Josephius that refer to John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus who was the leader of the church during the first century, and Jesus himself written arouned 60-65 AD. Passages about Jesus in the Jewish "Traditions compiled beginning in 70 AD after the destruction of the temple. References to him in several Roman historians writing in the late 1st to early 2nd century. Plus the writings of Paul and other apostles.

2) The sudden and explosive growth of the Christian faith. It came from nothing to a faith which covered most of the known world in a period of less then 50 years. It began in 30 AD, and by 64 AD was already so popular in the Roman Empire that Nero had to persecute it to stop it from overthrowing the throne. If there was no Jesus, what started the whole thing? If there was no Jesus, where is a single record or witness that came forward and said so? Surely only 34 years later, then would still be hundreds of people who, when told about a "Jesus" living in their towns and doing miracles would have come forth to despute it. Never happened.

3) The evidence of changed hearts and lives for thousands who have trusted Christ over the years. Too many people have been freed from addictive sins, found redemption, been healed, been rescued, been totally altered by the message for it to be anything false.

4) My own personal encounters and conversations with Him.

Answer 4

The Biblical writings written by eyewitnesses to His existence and deeds.
The extra-biblical writings by those who were not believers but wrote that He indeed existed.
There is no serious scholar who denies His existence.

He claimed to be God, performed miracles and was put to death for blasphemy.
He rose from the dead. No explanation outside His actual resurrection explains the empty tomb and the dramatic turn around of the apostles.
These same apostles, all, except one, suffered and were put to death for proclaiming the resurrection. No one dies for what they know to be a lie.
He lived a perfect life, revealed in many ways that He was God, died and rose again. He fulfilled Old Testament prophecy as none other could. And He will come again.

Answer 5

A human being , can not be God,
A created thing can not be God,
A mortal body can not be God,
Jesus Christ was the God's messenger and one of His greatest prophets.
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Sean, I am not a blind believer like you
"what christians write in forums" can only direct & manipulate
you, not me.
check;
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Answer 6

Jesus of Nazareth very probably existed.
"Christ" is a (descriptive) name given to him by Christians, it was never Jesus' name in his time.
I do not believe non-provable, faith based theories: I am an atheist. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that I don't think that Jesus was a great person who existed and expounded great ideas. If everyone lived by his 11th commandment (do unto others..) we all would be better off....

point taken sean...i have edited it out.

Answer 7

Because Jesus is the human image of God.

Answer 8

Because his name has to be all over the entire world,or everybody would have forgotten about God.

Answer 9

In Jesus dwells ALL the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Col.2:9 below) -

oGod the Father
oThe Holy Spirit of God the Father
oThe Word of God the Father

The only begotten son of God the Father (Jn.1:14 below), Jesus (the Word - Jn.1:1, Jn.1:14 below), His beloved Son (Matt.3:17 below), was conceived of the Holy Ghost (Matt.1:20 below).
It is God the Father who conceived in Mary (blessed among women) His very Word through His very Holy Spirit (Matt.1:20 below).

Col.2:9 For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jn.1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, (Matt.1:20, Matt.3:17 below)) full of grace and truth.

Jn.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (Re.1:6, Lk.1:47 below).

Re.1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God (Jn.1:1 above) AND his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Lk.1:47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour (Jn.1:14, Jn.1:1, Re.1:6 above).

Lk.1:68 Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

Matt.3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son (Matt.1:20 below), in whom I am well pleased.

Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost (Jn.1:14, Matt.3:17 above).




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Answer 10

I believe it because of what the Bible says.

Answer 11

yes i do both as a person and God.