Who is REALLY responsible for the Quran, Muhammad or Uthman?

Question

Muhammad was an illiterate trader that had a bad childhood and adulthood. He allegedly had "revelations" in a cave. He was later told by someone who wasn't there and did not hear the voice, that it must be the Angel Gabriel.

Years after the death of Muhammad, Uthman formed a committee to write a final version of the Quran. His committee destroyed any copies (even those written during the time of Muhammad - including allegedly Muhammad's wife's copy which is known as the Omar copy) that they disagreed with.

So all the world has left is what Uthman claims that Muhammad said - nothing else.

So are the Muslims honoring/worshipping the wrong person?

I am constantly amused that as soon as a person mentions the errors and the history of the Quran or Islam there are immediate attacks on Christianity and heir Bible.

For the record, the Chistian Bible has ALSO been rewritten, edited, translated, and composed by committee JUST LIKE THE QURAN and probably he Toran.

So forget about the Christians and Jews (or start your own question). The question here is "Who is REALLY responsible for the Quran, Muhammad or Uthman?'

Now does ANYONE dispute that Uthman and his committee compiled the current version of the Quran and destroyed versions that they felt was inappropriate?

That is an established fact acknowledged by Islamic Scholars! (see www.islamicity.com history of Islam). Now if Uthman had not done what he did would we have the Quran?

I am not disrespectingg Muhammad, Uthman, or Islam. Just questioning who REALLY is responsible.

Please answer the question and leave your hate somewhere else!

Answer 1

Your story is true. Thatw as among the reasons that led to what was known as the great conflict (Al Fitna Al Kubra)

Answer 2

..who ever wrote the quran it is 100% word of God not like your Bible quran has one virsion on the other side Bible has virsion's..

my friend if your Bible supposed to be word of God, i am challenging you if you read this on Sunday prayers ..

Deuteronomy 20:13-15 Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God “delivers into your hands,” but keep the women for raping.

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and “go in unto her.”

Deuteronomy 22:5 Women that wear men’s clothing are an “abomination unto the Lord.”

Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though, of course. What is interesting to note here is the actual wording, it says : “that if a man hateth his wife he may say she did not have the tokens of her virginity”. Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is one of the most cruel and sexist passages of the Torah. It says that women who are raped and fail to “cry out loud” in a populated area are most likely enjoying the attack should be killed.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Is this supposed to be some type of retribution? What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her? All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Says that we must cut off a woman’s hand if she touches the “secrets” of a man who is fighting with her husband…“And thine eye shall not pity her.” Once again, there is no punishment for the man she touched, only the woman.

Read this quotes on sunday prayers ..........
if you can't or don't want to read than my friend your Bible is not fit for reading............

Answer 3

NEVER, u just don't understand!!

the Qur'an was transmitted to us in an unprecedented and unique manner according to rigorous rules of transmission. The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) via the angel Gabriel, and the Prophet subsequently memorized the whole scripture.

Thousands of the Companions of the Prophet learned the Qur'an directly from the Prophet (pbuh). They memorized it and were known in Islamic history as huffaadh (the memorizers and preservers of the Qur'an). Moreover, a number of Companions wrote it down during the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and it was compiled in its entirety immediately after his death.
Additionally, several of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were appointed as scribes to record the words of the revelation directly from the Prophet himself on parchment, leather, or whatever else was available. The most famous of these scribes was Zayd ibn Thabit, who also memorized the entire Qur’an, and he formed with the others a community of huffaadh that can be compared to academic societies of our present time.

We know the Qur’an was recorded in totality during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) and the different surahs (chapters) personally arranged by him. Many copies of the text were used for study and teaching, even in Mecca before the Hijrah, the migration to Medina.

The entire Qur’an was written down during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad, and trusting the fact that many scholars knew it by heart, it was not collected in one volume. It was personally arranged by him, and the Muslims memorized it in the same order. The companion Uthman reported that whenever a new verse was revealed, the Prophet would immediately call a scribe to record it. He would instruct the person to put the specific verse or verses in a particular chapter.

Furthermore, every year during the month of Ramadan, the Prophet would recite the whole Qur’an from beginning to end in its present-day arrangement, and everyday people could hear it from his own lips in the mosque. Its sequence is no mystery. Many of the Companions not only memorized it completely, they also wrote it down and even added commentary (tafseer) on their own personal copies. When the Prophet passed away, the whole Qur’an was already written down, but it was not yet compiled in book form.

During the rule of the first Caliph Abu Bakr, there was a rebellion among some distant Arab tribes that resulted in a series of fierce battles. In one particular battle, a number Companions who had memorized the Qur’an were killed. The Companion Omar worried that the knowledge of the Qur’an was in danger, thus he convinced Abu Bakr that the Qur’an should be compiled into book form as a means of preserving it once and for all.

Zayd bin Thabit was entrusted with this important task. Zayd followed strict methods in his compilation and had dozens of other huffaadh recheck his work to ensure its accuracy. Abu Bakr, who had also committed the entire Qur’an to memory, approved of the final product. After Abu Bakr passed away, the copy was passed to the Caliph ‘Omar, and then Uthman.

Omar, the second khalifah, finally gave it to his daughter Hafsa – one of the prophet’s wives - for safekeeping. It was from this collection of material that Khalifah Othman prepared several copies in the form of the first books of the entire Qur’an. Some of these copies still exist.

that was in brief the story of keeping the Quran.
wish u get it!!

edit: i edited my answer for u( i omitted the part that i said that "bible and torah" are... , but U SHOULD KNOW THAT(believe it or not) the Quran NEVER changed since it was revealed and i explained it in my answer, and there are more other proofs for that.

peace.

Answer 4

This is your own idea. Quran was assembled during the presence of the Prophet (Ipbuh) If Quran is a wrong book or Mohammad was a wrong person, how can you prove this. It is not just saying wrong to anyone. Prove it logically and scientifically. Quran is a complete book. You can have anything from it, may it be religion, society, science, culture , law, rights,life or death. Can you gave a name of another book which have so many things in it.

Answer 5

Sorry pal, you are living in your dreams.

The muslims dont worship Muhammad though Muslims and many non-muslim philosophers, historians respect his unparalleled intellect.

" He [Muhammad] did not engage in vain metaphysics but applied himself to improving the social condition of his people by regulation respecting personal cleanliness, sobriety, fasting, prayer. Above all other works, he works, he esteemed almsgiving and charity with liberalty to which the world had of late become a stranger, he admitted the salvation of men of any form of faith provided they were virtuous."--[History of the Intellectual Developement of Europe, by DRAPER, VOL.I]

"The muslims could perform that unparalleled feat of the theological rascocination because, "...the monotheism of Mohammad was the most absolute and comparatively the freest from mythical adulterations."--[The History of Materealism by F.A.Lange, vol-I, pg-184]

By the way where did you get your concept from ? Do you have any evidence to prove your claim. Or you just imagined it ?

As for Quran, it is the only scripture which nobody dared to alter/ add or conceal like e.g.Biblle etc. Not a single alteration could be done since its revelation. Quran is an outstanding book of law of the God and a miracle.

"... But the Meccans still demanded of him [Muhammad] a miracle,and with remarkable boldness and self-confidence Mohammad appealed as the supreme confirmation of his mission to the Koran itself. Like all Arabs they were connoisseurs of language and rhetoric. Well then, if koran were his own composition other men could rival it. If they could not [ and it is obvious that they could not ], then let them accept the Koran as an outstanding evidencial miracle."--[Mohammadanism, An Historical Survey, by HAMILTON A.R.GIBB, pg-40]

I have with me collection of historical evidences witnessed by non-muslim great historians like Gibbon, Hamilton A.R.Gibb, Henry Stubbe, Vemb'ery etc, etc. who will nullify your fabricated stories.

Come again if you have any concrete proof of your stories.

hich

Answer 6

The prophet(pbuh) after receiving the revelations recited it to his close companions, they had compiled one Qur'an, when Uthman(may Allah be pleased with him) took that copy since it was the official one, many people had their own versions by mere hearsay, his wife didn't have a different copy...
anyway it is all here at www.irf.net

Answer 7

Sounds as though the bible and Quran have a lot in common.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 8

My Dear friend, you ask about the Quaran, while you need to read it, God said in Quaran :"إنا نحن أنزلنا الذكر و إنا له لحافظون" meaning that its God's responsibility to keep Quaran correct and saved from any harm or change, not Muhammad's nor Uthman's responsibility, they both were just fated to participate in the existence of this holy book.

Answer 9

That is interesting. And even if Mohammed wrote it, I'd still consider them to be honoring/worshipping the wrong person. In essense, they are worshipping Allah, who just doesn't exist. No gods exist.

Answer 10

It was conveyed by ArchAngel Gabriel, the same angel who had conveyed God's revelations to his earlier prophets, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Prphet Muhammad received this first revelation at the age of 40 in 610 A.D.



The prophet received the revelations on various matters, ideas, knowledge, elucidation, instructions, advice and guidance over 23 years. Sometimes the Prphet received a single verse, sometimes a few verses together and sometimes an entire chapter. God says: "We have rehearsed the Quran to thee (O Muhammad) in slow, well-arranged stages gradually." (25:32)



Upon receiving each revelation, the Prophet asked any one of his companions who could read and write to record it. This was done by the Prophet reciting the revelation he had received from God and a scribe taking it down. After the scribe had taken down what had been dictated to him (on the writing material of those days), the Prophet asked the scribe to read allowed what he had recorded - to make sure that he had recorded correctly what had been dictated to him.



In this way, the entire Quran, 114 chapters in all, was completed in manuscript form before the Prophet's death. The various chapters in the Quran were arranged by the Prophet himself through divine guidance. (The chapters of the Quran are nto arranged in chronological order but in the order of divine preferance. For instance, the first verses the prophet received, which begun with "Read! In the name of Thy Lord...", are in chapter 96, not in chapter 1).



A standard copy of the Quran was made within a few years of the death of the prophet when most of his immediate companions, who had heard him recite the Quran and had themselves committed it to memory, were still living. The prophet's successor, Caliph Abu Bakar, requested Zayd Bin Thabit to compile all the 114 chapters into one volume. Zayd ws chosen because it was he who had taken down most of the prophet's dictation of the revelation. The volume was then scrutinised by the prophet's companions and kept with Hafsah, the prophet's widow.
The original Quranic manuscript is written in Arabic Language. Every single Muslim have an identical Arabic copy based on the original Quranic manuscript written in Arabic. When Muslims perform their 5 daily prayers, they recite the Quran in its original language, the Arabic Language. Many Muslims memorize the Quran by heart at young age. The English, Spanish or French Quranic translations are nothing but interpretation to the meanings of the words of the Quran, and they are only used as a reference for those Muslims who don't speak Arabic

Unlike Muslims, almost the majority of Christians don't even know where the original manuscripts are located at. None of the Christian Churches have, in their possession, a copy in either Hebrew or Greek that is based on the original manuscripts. Christians have translations, translations, translations and as for the original Bible, it's buried somewhere overseas collecting dust.

The Bible (OT & NT) has endured many severe predicaments because of the language barrier. The original manuscripts (ancient Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures) were translated to Greek and Latin. In fact, from the year 800 AD to 1539 AD, Latin was the only language of the Bible. Because of the continuous waves of translations; Aramaic, to Greek, to Latin, to English; Christians most definitely and seriously handicapped any attempts to faithfully translate the original author's intended meanings. This problem, all thanks be to the Almighty (swt), has been completely avoided in the Qur'an, since it has remained from the time of its inspiration to the present day in the same language it was originally revealed in, the Arabic Language. The Arabic Language has remained a living language from that day to this, and the book itself has always been in the hands of the people and not "the elite."



It was during the time of Caliph Othman, the third caliph some 12 years after the death of the prophet, that a committee was formed, with the celebrated Zayd bin Thabit as chairman, to take on the task of reproducing the standard volume into a number of copies to be sent to all the principle cities, like Mecca, Madina, Kufah, Basrah and Damascus, for other copies to be made from the standard copy sent.
The Qur'an is present in a living language, Arabic. Over 200 million speak the Arabic language. It is therefore very easy to check the contents of the original Arabic of the Qur'an. The Bible was written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. These are all dead languages, which we no longer have the complete meanings of.



The Qur'an has always been in the possession of the people, as there is no clergy in Islam. The Bible on the other hand, until recently, has always been in the possession of the Church. It has been shaped, modified, and passed on by Church Authority.



There is not even one word of difference between two Arabic Qur'ans, anywhere in the world. There has been no disagreements in history among Muslims as to what should and should not be in the Qur'an. However, in the case of the Bible, even the most ancient manuscripts conflict with one another so that no two are identical. Footnotes in all modern versions of the Bible prove this fact.

The preservation of the scripture of Islam -- the Holy Qur'an -- is unique among world religions. No other religion has a scripture which is both as old and as well-preserved as the one possessed by Muslims today. Even scholars who are hostile to Islam admit that the Qur'an that exists today is exactly the same as the one that existed in the time of the Prophet Muhammad