Dear Atheist for Christians Banned:
I find in our Category, here, that the great wealth of ideas and what has been learned is seldom shared. Rather, we shout small bytes at each other when, at least I, would prefer to get deeper into experiences and the lessons contained therein. Exploration about God is appropriate for the Religion/Spirituality Forum. Are we offering each other something of depth and richness to contemplate? What is available to us - from each other?
Yes, I have read many articles on Evolution. I like to dabble in Physics just enough to "stay up" with the latest information.
Atheism has demanded, recently, that God be proven. They seem to feel that Christians are duped! Yet, Atheism leads to our not acknowledging there is anything beyond or more than physical matter and human Intellect. Nothing more. No other concepts integrated . Just Intellect examining a world of physical matter.
Science, however, has decided God can not be disproved or thrown away, after all. Physics has found itself smack up against Him and is desperate to prove Him. (String theories (all 5) or M-Theory). But I tell you, God will never be a mathematical formula. It takes the soul or spirit-mind within, to bring forth its Knowledge of its Creator (which it shares with the divine Presence). Only soul/spirit can direct the Scientist to proper understanding of the Order of Creation. Science is, after all, inspiration ; inspired first - to learn of it's world and our Self. But, then, at best, you have still a cold calculation from Science - about the Created and it's Creator - with no experience of His divine nature; the ecstasy, the unlimited-ness, the Unopposed force of the Creative Being, of Who we are a part.
The Intellect is of logic and reasoning. It deduces and judges. God is Knowledge and Knowing.
We should be open to thoughts that behind the Intellect lies our soul or Spirit: The Seat of all Knowledge. Until we understand soul/spirit - we can not know our Self.
Intellect is a mental exercise. It changes, shifts, and alters its thought processes. But, Knowledge is unalterable.
The Evolution of Earth contains the Creator existing along with it. This is Integration.
Best regards, Lana
2006-11-18 15:42:12
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answered by Lana S (1) 4
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A 13.7 billion year old universe, a 4.5 billion year old earth, God required as creator, and evolution can all be compatible.
Only a minority of Christians take the six days of Genesis as literal 24 hour periods. They could be interpreted as phases in the creative process of the universe of undetermined length. After all, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day.
I have read some fascinating articles on processes created by scientists and engineers in which by "natural selection" either hardware or software is designed to evolve to greater states of complexity and functionality.
However, it is very important to note that those evolving systems were designed by brilliant scientific and engineering minds. They did not just happen. So there is no incompatibility between Intelligent Design and evolution. In fact, the second requires the first.
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2006-11-18 13:46:33
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answered by Catholic Philosopher 6
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Hi there I am a Christian that believes in evolution. i also believe that wahtever evolved was created.
The bible is vague on this topic, which tells me its not that important.
One for you: have you ever read the Bible?? unequivocally?
Because my uncle is the brightest scholar I know. Well versed, open minded and a millionaire living in Bermuda.
He joined a bible study as an athiest just to prove it wrong. Two years later, after evaluating the odds of all those thing s being predicted and the thousands of years passed and the thousands of people that would have had to keep things secret "for a big scam we are tring to pull in 4,000 years" is ridiculous.
He is a belivever by sheer logic and reason.
By the way, do you know that hating someone is like burning your house down to kill a rat?? You are only hurting yourself with this anger and resentment you carry. Why are you afraid?? All resentments are fear based, and you have big resentments
Heres hoping you get free of yourself
David.
2006-11-19 10:57:29
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answered by David T 3
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Dude, are you for real???? Your questions show that you have the same traits that you accuse Christianity of. It's good to explore these issues. For some, it will strengthen their Christian faith, and for others, it will strengthen views in another area. But, you generalize so much. I just don't understand it. DO you really see no good at all in Christianity? How can you not see all the good in Christianity. If you choose only to see the bad, then you cannot accuse Christians of being closed minded (as your questions seem to imply), because you are just as closed minded. Christianity is doing far more good in the world then bad. No doubt, many people do bad things in the name of Christianity - and even church hierarchy have done bad things at time in history. I can't deny it. But your Yahoo questions seem to only look at those sad parts. You miss so much beauty and goodness that is done everyday in the name of Christianity.
Regarding Evolution. It is true that SOME Christians don't believe in it. But they are NOT the majority. Most Christians do not see Christianity as incompatible with Evolution. For instance official Catholic Church Teaching (reiterated again in recent years) is that Evolution is real and science is not incompatible with our Christian faith. In fact, throughout history, many of the greatest scientists were Christians - and Saints.
Where do you get your facts when you make such generalized false accusations against Christians? Because SOME Christians believe or act in a certain way, you condemn the whole Christian faith? and you assume the whole Christian faith stands for what some individual believers believe?
You are free not to believe what Christians believe, but for goodness sakes . . . do your homework and at least have an educated opinion. Don't take isolated incidents and opinions and condemn an entire world religion.
If you continue on that path, you will need to condemn our nation (because of all the bad things our government and Americans have done) and you'd have to condemn your own family and friends because they have all done bad things at one time or another. I'm sure you would never do that. Well, give religions - all religions, the same fairness of thought.
2006-11-19 10:10:24
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answered by David and Malou K 1
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You report whatever you wish, sport. You are expressing your opinions, nothing more. Good for you. As for your question, yes. The schools that I attended shoved the myth of evolution down my throat for years. So what is your point? The book of Genesis says that God told man to go forth, be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth. You cannot replenish something that was not filled at least once already, now can you? Science does not lie? Who made the unequivocal rule that a certain test means this or that? They all agree on a theory. An educated guess. So you take it and like a muslim during the Crusades, you feel that you are armed with this theory that you take for fact, and you want to attack all Christians, and disspell their beliefs. Well, guess what, sport? Your opinion means exactly ZIP to me! You believe whatever you wish! I will not try to get you to believe in God, and you don't try to get me to swallow what I consider to be lies that you believe in. Peace be with you.
2006-11-18 14:08:01
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answered by Anonymous
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No, I believe in God Jehovah as the Creator, not any thing else,
The earth is millions of years old, I have never heard of 10,000 years old. I think you have your facts wrong
although I do believe that things evolve, out of nature itself, like the seed, it bears seed after it's own kind, it was meat to do that.
Many other things, plant life,etc
Thanks for that
But I believe if it is logical and scientifically proven
I think this is another way to discredit Christians,
mockers and scoffers will be in the last days
God didn't raise up a bunch of dummies!!!
2006-11-18 14:09:20
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answered by Gifted 7
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Yes, I have read more than one book on evolution. And some current articles in journals and whatnot.
You are neglecting to point out that the theory of macroevolution is missing some pretty impressive-sized chunks of evidence--for example, how metaphysical thought "evolved." Some scientists are working on this problem, yet their findings at present are woefully insufficient.
As for microevolution, there is a decent amount of scientific evidence thus far.
All that said, I believe that God created all that is seen and unseen. I don't know when, and not knowing does not trouble me.
Science, by the way, doesn't lie, exactly, but there are times when it has been embarrassingly wrong. It--as if it is a personless entity--has had to apologize in one way, shape, or form for numerous blunders. So while, no, scientists in general aren't liars, sometimes they see things wholly unrealistically and assert what they see as accurate, only later to recant.
Moreover, if you're well versed in science, consider the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which--among other things--"proves" that different people see different things in the same set of laboratory conditions, depending on what they're looking for.
Extend this principle from the quantum level on out into the visible-to-the-naked-eye plane of life, and see if that doesn't help you get your noodle around the difference between fact, fantasy, allegations, supportable theories, insupportable theories, and the nature of reality and our ability to perceive it accurately at all.
Oh, and Jesus saves, y'know.
2006-11-18 13:42:17
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answered by Gestalt 6
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I agree with your message, but I have to point out that you said "the earth is millions of years old" several times, which is misleading. The eart is BILLIONS of years old -- about five billion years old. A Billion is a thousand milions, so the Earth is about five thousand million years old.
One of the problems that people have comprehending Evolution is that they don't have a feel for just how long a million years is, let alone a billion years. The first forms of primitive self-replicating molecules probably started about three Billion years ago, and then it took perhaps two billion years before there was cellular life. This was still one billion years ago, leaving a very long time for multicellular life forms to evolve.
2006-11-18 13:44:46
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answered by Jim L 5
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when you can explain and demonstrate how life spings from no life and how exactly one species gives birth to a completey different species, along with a myriad of other wuestions I have that not one evolutionist has been able to rationally answer or prove in any way, I will tell you the answers to my questions. Just because you disagree with me does not mean you have to be so condescending.
I have asked, I have read, I have studied and I still see not a shred of hard evidence that proves bewyond a shaow of a doubt that evolution is even possible, mush less happened.
You can believe what you want but don't ask me to respect your beliefs if you are not willing to show respect for mine.
Scientists cannot agree on how old the earth is- I have read scientist that argue over how old the earth actually is and why they believe it- so because I was not there at the foundations of the earth, I had no part in nor did I witness the stars placed in the sky, I will be humble enough to say, this is what I believe and this is why, but I won't be so arrogant, as most evolutionists are , to be condescending, rude and judgmental towards other reasonable ideas (and I am not talking about evolution, I am talking about the age of the earth) which really have no bearing on anything that truly matters in this life.
2006-11-18 13:35:38
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answered by Anonymous
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Who teaches us about evolution? Why do you assume that I would take my lead and such a serious choice by a church leader or any man for that reason. I took my knowledge from the source itself. I can say without doubt what I know is real by the evidence I have seen and was shown. Not by a theory
2006-11-18 13:49:59
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answered by maybe 3
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