1 John 5:7--"For there are three that testify." A few very late manuscripts add in heaven—the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one."
Bible manuscripts that were written prior to the Eleventh Century C.E (A.D.) read quite differently. So, it appears as though this verse was changed about 1,000 years after John penned it by someone who wanted to provide scriptural backing to the Trinity doctrine.
When reading John the Fifth Chapter, the three witness-bearers are the water (baptism), the Breath (Gr. pneuma – the Breath of God), and the (shed) blood (of Jesus). Changing the water, the Breath, and the blood to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost would make the rest of what John wrote illogical; so that rendering is totaly false.
2006-11-18
10:09:47
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To bibleprop: You did not answer my question, only added other verses which were probably mistranslated also.
2006-11-18
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Trinitarians love to regurgitate philosophy, Greek, , and quotes from other Babylon-loving Trinitarians. When Trinitarians dishonestly quote the spurious version of 1 John 5:7, they are merely quoting the human work of a trinitarian, rather than the godly work of the apostle John or of the divine Author.
By contrast, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures alone quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.
(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation
(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.
(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God
(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak
(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am
(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him
(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father
(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God
(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him
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2006-11-19 00:08:03
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answered by achtung_heiss 7
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Regarding this Trinitarian passage, textual critic F. H. A. Scrivener wrote: “We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.”—A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654.
But this text is not found in any of the early Greek manuscripts and has obviously been added to bolster the Trinity doctrine. Most modern translations, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include these words in the main body of the text.—1Â John 1:1, 2
Yet these words do not appear in any of the very early copies of the Bible. They were added by someone who was trying to support the Trinity teaching. Since it is clear that these words are not really part of God’s Word, corrections have been made and the words do not appear in newer Bibles. A footnote in The Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says that these words are “not in any of the early Greek MSS [manuscripts], or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg[ate] itself.” A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce Metzger (1975, pp. 716-718), traces in detail the history of the spurious passage. It states that the passage is first found in a treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus, of the fourth century, and that it appears in Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts of the Scriptures, beginning in the sixth century. Modern translations as a whole, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include them in the main body of the text, because of recognizing their spurious nature.—Revised Standard Version, New English Bible , New American Bible.
2006-11-18 10:55:35
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answered by Jeremy Callahan 4
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This as I am sure you know was not in the translators original but was added after political pressure was applied.
From the Aramaic it reads properly, " and the Spirit testifys, that that very Spirit is the truth and the three to bear witness, the Spirit, and the water and the blood and these three are one"
the spirit of truth the blood in His arterys and the water issued prior to His delivery. a man born in truth the son of God
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however this is all abstract what is important comes b4. when we love God we keep His comandments and the comandments taught by Jesus are not difficult for His yoke is light.
We are recognized because we love each other, and we are to be in one accord which is the very thing the --- political pressure to change the correct translation --- stops from happening. Political pressure was exerted by the same group that Jesus kicked out of the Temple, merchants and bankers. Check out your history and see for yourselves. I might add the same political pressure which landed us in Iraq, the crusades, and Korea and probably other wars I have not checked out yet.
2006-11-18 12:13:07
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answered by icheeknows 5
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It was changed by a copiest who was already biased towards the trinity. But in later years, it was discovered and removed. Another trinitarian addition appears at 1 Tim. 3:16 that says in part,"God manifest in the flesh." This verse was also discovered to be in error and changed to "he who was manifest in the flesh." This goes to show how far trinitarians will go to spread the lie about the trinity being in the Bible.
The ironic thing is that modern trinitarians still refer to these verses to prove the the trinty, although they were found to be additions to the Bible.
2006-11-18 11:01:47
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answered by LineDancer 7
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In Jesus dwells ALL the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Col.2:9 below) -
oGod the Father
oThe Holy Spirit of God the Father
oThe Word of God the Father
The only begotten son of God the Father (Jn.1:14 below), Jesus (the Word - Jn.1:1, Jn.1:14 below), His beloved Son (Matt.3:17 below), was conceived of the Holy Ghost (Matt.1:20 below).
It is God the Father who conceived in Mary (blessed among women) His very Word through His very Holy Spirit (Matt.1:20 below).
Col.2:9 For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jn.1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, (Matt.1:20, Matt.3:17 below)) full of grace and truth.
Jn.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (Re.1:6, Lk.1:47 below).
Re.1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God (Jn.1:1 above) AND his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Lk.1:47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour (Jn.1:14, Jn.1:1, Re.1:6 above).
Lk.1:68 Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Matt.3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son (Matt.1:20 below), in whom I am well pleased.
Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost (Jn.1:14, Matt.3:17 above).
Pat (ndbpsa ©)
2006-11-18 13:01:51
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answered by BibleProphecyOnTheWeb 5
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Nice insight.Let me know what you come up with.My idea of this concept is kind of radical,so I won't go into to it here.
2006-11-18 10:20:46
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answered by ? 6
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Okay. KJV was King James own version. Now we have other versions more understandable.
Thanks for positing the question although I am not sure what the question is.
2006-11-18 10:13:58
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answered by makeitright 6
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