Brits do you know that the UK is in the bible?

Question

Im an american studying bible prophecy.

Daniel ch.7- 4

Answer 1

wow! (not!)

Answer 2

Yeah, yeah, you people like to pretend you understand everything in the Bible when you don't. You probably mean a reference to "distant isles" or something equally ambiguous. I've heard all this stuff - Gog and Magog (It's Russia, then it's Libya, then somewhere else - whatever suits the American political prejudice of the day).

You're as simplistic as a Hollywood film. Why not really ask God for a change instead of loading all this bunkum on people's backs like the scribes and Pharisees did? Because you'd have learn to wrestle for hours or days in prayer and fasting until He showed you the answer, and you haven't got the spiritual stamina or sincerity for that, that's why.

PS Daniel 7:4 refers to the Babylonian empire, as agreed upon by most Bible scholars.

Answer 3

Britain is also mentioned in the Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13: 17. The Bible is mentioned in 1 Nephi 13: 21-29.

Answer 4

Do you mean in the same context that the Ancient Greeks had us on their maps as "Hyperborea" - the islands behind the north wind? (ie, so fantastically far away in the frozen North that normal weather conditions didn't apply any more, and the old referent of the North Wind being the coldest thing there is, to a Greek, had to be scrapped in favour of a metaphor denoting something far colder and bleaker)

We know that there was definitely commerce between Britain and the established Greek world in the years BC. We know that was almost certainly commerce and correpondence between Phoenicia and Britain (Phoenicia being the eastern Med just north and east of Palestine - modern-day Syria, I suppose). This is likely to have been in the period 2500BC right down almost to Roman times.

Britiain was a source of metal ores, most specifically tin, which the ancient world universally needed for bronze. As Israel was no exception to the bronze age, of course Britain, or a hazy idea of the faraway cold country where the tin came from, would be known to the ancient Israelites and would go down into the body of common ideas, myths, histories, folklores, et c, that later became the Bible. After all, the Old Testament lists and describes Israel's immediate neighbours ( a thing of interest and concern for Israelis then as now) and gives a vague idea of what was further away, and therefore less important, in the ancient world.

British folklore preserves the idea that Jesus' uncle, Joseph of Arithemea, who dealt with Jesus' funeral arrangements, was a merchant in the British sea trade: that part of the "unknown years" of Jesus of Nazereth between ages 12-30 were spent in visits to Britain with his uncle. After Jesus' death, Joseph came permanently to England and established the first in an unbroken line of Christian communities in what is now Glastonbury, Somerset.

It's interesting that Jesus speaks of "having other sheep, not of this fold" to whom he is also presumably shepherd: this suggests he spent the "unknown years" travelling outside Palestine. As a de facto Roman citizen, Jesus would have found it wasy to travel within the Roman empire, especially if an uncle with a shipping business was standing guarantor.

So were some of those years spent in Britain? This was before the Claudian conquest: you could quite easily see a young Jesus, dissaffected after discovering the rabbis and Pharisees were not as wise and learned as he thought, learning from the Druids.

Then again there's another bit of the bible where he curses a fig tree: is this a sly reference to Buddhism, where te fig tree has a spiritual significance? (You might just as well argue that if Jesus knew enough about Buddhism to curse a fig tree, at some point he travelled East - India? to see what other religions could teach him)

But if Jesus came to England - hence William Blake's hymn "Jerusalem" - definitely England's national anthem! (I'm Welsh: but why deny the English the civilizing influence of a great tune and a fine song?)

As to whether there is any truth in any of this - the evidence is tantalising but circumstantial - who knows?

As for "who cares" - do you really have no curiosity in your soul?

As for whether vague and inconsistent references in the Bible have any prophetic significance - well, I've written about this\ elsewhere, and the answr is "almost probably not"

It's like the rorschach blot test - people have always seen what they want to see in Revelations and Daniel, and it's always been twisted to suit the anxieties of the age.

In the 1200's, the Antichrist was seen as Ghengiz Khan's armies marauding out of the East in acvcordance with biblical prophecy.

Within our own lifetimes, official fundamentalist Christian doctrine on the Apocalypse has been erased and rewritten with all the efficiency of aStalinist history book.

Thirty years ago, the Antichrist was going to be a Communist and the agent of Satan bringing about the last battle of Armageddon was World Communism led by the Soviet Union.

After the fall of world communism in 1990, people like Hal Lindsay went awfully quiet.

And today the doctrine has been effectively rewritten so that ISLAM is the enemy, the Antichrist will be Islamic, and the army from the East that will bring Armageddon in its wake is an Arab/Islamic one...

it's like the bit in Revelations where the creature with ten heads (or was it twelve?) arising from the sea to being panic and destruction was thought to be the European Community, which at the time had ten (or was it twelve?) member countries... now the EEC has 25 or more member states, that particular little bit of Biblical exegesis has been quietly dropped, too...

I think i'll try to find these Endtime sermons referred to (Hal Lindsay was a right-wing fundie who was GOOD at those) and deconstruct them...

Answer 5

believable - britland would've been in the "known world" at the time of JC. There's a christian hymn, "Jerusalem" which starts :
"And did those feet in ancient times, walk upon England's pastures Green?" (or something - watch the clip).

It's considered by many to the the "true" National Anthem of England (as opposed to the United Kingdom) and is usually played at the end of the proms every year AFTER god save the queen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ0oCmDXrVk

Answer 6

I'm not British, but I do know that the UK is listed in several places as the Lion...with Eagles wings...which are of course the US because the wings were plucked from the Lion and given the heart of a man...Uncle Sam.

Do you listen to Irvin Baxter's Endtime sermons? If not you should. You can find them at www.endtime.com They can really teach you a lot!! And he archives them so you can listen to ones from the past!!

Answer 7

I'm sorry but that's impossible. The bible was written before the UK existed. I do not believe in bible prophecy...it's like Nostradamus... you caan read anything into prophecy after it has happened.

Answer 8

What?? Next you will be telling us that Charlton Athletic are going to win the Premier League, or that the English cricketers are going to retain the Ashes!

Answer 9

my ex said his family was mentioned in the bible - his surname is van den Berg and in the Dutch Bible it says Moses came van den Berg so I guess anyone can make claims they would like to be true if it suits them!

Answer 10

ok what is the prophecy that has to do with England? I am all ears,
edit:
so far did not get any response.

Answer 11

well.. apparently the Us is also in it, however i dont like the outcome, apparently the Us isthe country tht is the Beast, its a sea of people (sea meaning its filled with different kinds of people) and other facts that make the Us seem like it. i really hope its not true though...