“And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.” [Luke 6:12]
“And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.” [Luke 22:44]
“And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.” [Matthew 26:39]
“and he (Jesus) saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.” [Mark 14:32]
Why would God pray to God? If he was God then he would not have had to pray for anything, he could give it to himself. Jesus was also baptized:
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened.”
[Luke 3:21]
Why would God need to be baptized, I thought that he was sinless. All of this shows that Jesus and God were not one. What makes you believe so?
2006-11-17 08:12:49 · 14 answers · asked by Shinkirou Hasukage 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Thanks! do you know what is criterion of embarrasment????
As a notable example, the Baptism of Jesus fits the criterion of embarrassment. In this story, Jesus, the alleged son of God, submits to the authority of John the Baptist to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. The Gospel of Matthew attempts to explain this dynamic with John's statement to Jesus that "I should be baptized by you." Gospel of John goes further and simply omits the whole story of the Baptism. This might show a progression of the Evangelists attempting to explain away and then suppress a story that was seen as embarrassing to the early Church.
2006-11-17 08:15:56 · answer #1 · answered by . 3 · 3⤊ 9⤋
Friend the trinity people has the Godhead all messed up, I know, 36 yrs ago I was trinity, But that only lasted for 3 months until God showed me the true meaning of the Godhead. Jesus was NOT GOD, God did not even dwell in Jesus until Jesus was baptized & then God dwelled in Jesus without measure & God dwells in us with measure. God did not Die, Jesus Christ his only begoten Son died for us. Trinity believes there is 3 persons in the God head, Well God is NOT a person & the Holy Ghost is not a person, they are the Spirit of God, in 3 manifestation works by the same Spirit. Example I am a Dad, I am a Grand dad & I am a husband, but you don't see 3 different people but the same person in 3 offices of a title. Many trinity people also try to said where Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father, They don't even know what that means, NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME, Moses saw the manifestaion of God in a burning bush, When Jesus made that statement he was saying if you see me, then you have seen the father at work because Jesus said I can NOT Do anything unless the Father shows him.
2006-11-17 08:33:45 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
As is evident in this forum, most people do not understand the orthodox teaching of the Trinity.
The Biblical doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there is one God (one being) eternally existant in three Persons.
This is not self-contradictory because a being is not the same thing as a person. A person is defined as "one having will, intellect, and emotion". Therefore the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit may have different wills, intellects, and emotions will still being one in essence. These three Persons interact with one another. God the Son prays to God the Father, no problem.
Also, Jesus is fully God and fully man. He was baptized to "fulfill all righteousness" (Matthew 3:15) and to relate to mankind. His baptism had nothing to do with washing away sins.
With a right understanding of the Trinity and the dual natures of Christ, many confusing passages come together beautifully.
2006-11-17 08:30:18 · answer #3 · answered by 5solas 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If we are willing to accept and teach the truth as outlined in Ephesians 4:4-6, we can do away with a lot of confusion and division among the local churches and denominations. Many false teachers have lied to us and tried to make us do certain things to help the Lord out and to make us have a part in our salvation, but when we know the truth, we can see that He did it all.
Ephesians 4:14 that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.
Ephesians 4:4 there is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5. One Lord, one faith, one baptism. 6. One God and father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
There is one body: This is the Body of Christ (the church Eph 1:22-23), which is the only true church for this age. There are other churches in the Bible but they are not the body of Christ (Acts 7:38; Matt 18:17). One Spirit: This is the Spirit of Almighty God and this Spirit is God for God is a Spirit. If we are true believers, then we have the Spirit of God and we become the Temple of God.
The Holy Spirit is God:
1.He strives (Genesis 6:3)
2.He teaches (Luke 12:12).
3.He convicts (John 1:8).
4.He directs (Acts 13:2).
5.He makes intercession (Romans 8:26).
6.He inspires (II Peter 1:21).
7.He sanctifies (I Peter 1:2).
8.He is God (Acts 5:3-4).
9.He is truth (John 16:13).
One hope: This is that which is called that blessed hope. It is also called the catching away or rapture of the church (I Cor 15:51-53; I Thes 4:13-17). This is when we shall all not die but we will all be changed. This earthly body must be given a heavenly body. (I Cor 15:40-44). One Lord: There can be but one Lord for the Body of Christ and He is the Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us and rose again. This same Lord is also God:
The Lord Jesus Christ is God:
1.He has all power (Matthew 28:18).
2.He is all knowing (Col 2:3).
3.He was in the beginning (John 1:1).
4.He is God (John 8:58).
5.He gives redemption (Col 1:14).
6.He is present everywhere (Matthew 28:20).
7.He became a Man (John 1:14)
8.He created all things (Eph 3:9; Col 1:6).
One faith: This is not our faith but the faith of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22; Gal 3:16). One baptism: This is the baptism of the Spirit that places us into the Body of Christ (I Cor 12:13). This is not the water baptism that was done in other ages.
One God and Father of all:
1.He makes covenants (Genesis 9: 1-17; Gen 12:1-3)
2.He is one God (I Chronicles 8:6).
3.He is a redeemer (Isa 63:16).
4.He is the master (Mal 1:6).
5.He is the I AM (Ex 3:14).
6.He is JEHOVAH (Ex 6:3).
7.He is by whom the whole family in haven and earth is named (Eph
3:14-15).
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all God and all three are one.
1.The Spirit raised him (Romans 8:11).
2.The Father raised him (Romans 6:4).
He raised himself (John 10:18; John 2:19-20).
2006-11-17 08:19:03 · answer #4 · answered by Ray W 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The Trinity is a wonderful mystery isn't it? It's not a mystery like it can't be solved...it's a mystery to marvel in.
God has shown Himself in three ways but still ONE God. God the Father, came to earth in the flesh / natural - Jesus and when Jesus was raised up to Heaven...the Holy Spirit came to earth to dwell within us.
WOW...God is so amazing!
Jesus prayed to the Father. They were still One, God is Spirit and Jesus flesh. God didn't quiet the storm (crucifixion) He calmed the sailor (Jesus). God took the fear of the cross away.
Jesus being baptized was symbolic.
2006-11-17 08:17:01 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
To understand this, you must understand what the Trinity is in the first place. God, like us, is body, mind and spirit. We are also "trinities"
Jesus (the flesh) can pray to the Father (the mind) the same way we "converse" with ourselves. Example: Your body doesn't want to get up and go to work (or school) but your mind knows you have to. Your body may think of reasons to stay home but the mind ultimately makes the decision.
Jesus was sinless, his Baptism was to a) show us what we should do and b) mark the beginning of His ministry.
2006-11-17 08:18:31 · answer #6 · answered by impossble_dream 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name (NOT THE NAMES) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (St. Matt. 28:20).
Many Christians begin to learn about the Trinity through knowledge of Baptism. This is also a starting point for others in comprehending why the doctrine matters to so many Christians, even though the doctrine itself teaches that the being of God is beyond complete comprehension. The Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed are structured around profession of the Trinity, and are solemnly professed by converts to Christianity when they receive baptism, and in the Church's liturgy, particularly when celebrating the Eucharist. One or both of these creeds are often used as brief summations of Christian faith by mainstream denominations.
One God
God is one, and the Godhead a single being: The Hebrew Scriptures lift this one article of faith above others, and surround it with stern warnings against departure from this central issue of faith, and of faithfulness to the covenant God had made with them. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4) (the Shema), "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Deuteronomy 5:7) and, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6). Any formulation of an article of faith which does not insist that God is solitary, that divides worship between God and any other, or that imagines God coming into existence rather than being God eternally, is not capable of directing people toward the knowledge of God, according to the trinitarian understanding of the Old Testament. The same insistence is found in the New Testament: "...there is none other God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). The "other gods" warned against are therefore not gods at all, but substitutes for God, and so are, according to St. Paul, simply mythological or are demons.
So, in the trinitarian view, the common conception which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings, is incorrect. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, manifest in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is still the same as the God of the New. In Christianity, it is understood that statements about a solitary god are intended to distinguish the Hebraic understanding from the polytheistic view, which see divine power as shared by several separate beings, beings which can, and do, disagree and have conflicts with each other. The concept of Many comprising One is quite visible in the Gospel of John, chapter 17, verses 20 through 23.
God exists in three persons
The "Shield of the Trinity" or "Scutum Fidei" diagram of traditional Western Christian symbolism.This one God however exists in three persons, or in the Greek hypostases. God has but a single divine nature. Chalcedonians — Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants — hold that, in addition, the Second Person of the Trinity — God the Son, Jesus — assumed human nature, so that he has two natures (and hence two wills), and is really and fully both true God and true human.
The singleness of God's being and the multiplicity of the Divine Persons together account for the nature of Christian salvation, and disclose the gift of eternal life. "Through the Son we have access to the Father in one Spirit" (Ephesians 2:18). Communion with the Father is the goal of the Christian faith and is eternal life. It is given to humans through the Divine union with humanity in Jesus Christ who, although fully God, died for sinners "in the flesh" to accomplish their redemption, and this forgiveness, restoration, and friendship with God is made accessible through the gift to the Church of the Holy Spirit, who, being God, knows the Divine Essence intimately and leads and empowers the Christian to fulfill the will of God. Thus, this doctrine touches on every aspect of the trinitarian Christian's faith and life; and this explains why it has been so earnestly contended for, throughout Christian history.
Source(s):
Douay Rheims Bible
78 References and Illusions To The Trinity Found In The Sacred Scriptures
I. Even the Old Testament makes definite reference both to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
Isaiah 11:2 "...the Spirit ... the Lord ... Him"
Isaiah 42:1 "My Servant ... I ... My Spirit ... upon Him"
Isaiah 48:16 "The Lord God ... His Spirit ... sent Me"
Isaiah 61:1 "Spirit of the Lord God ... upon Me ... the Lord"
Isaiah 63:9 "He ...the Angel of His Presence ... His Holy Spirit"
II. Close examination of the following New Testament scriptures will make obvious to any student of the Bible that the doctrine of the Godhead is truth.
Matthew 1:20, 21 "the Lord (the Father) ... the Holy Spirit ... Jesus"
Matthew 3:16, 17 "Jesus ... the Spirit of God ... a Voice from heaven (the Father)"
Matthew 12:18 "I ... My Spirit ... on Him"
Matthew 22:42, 43 "Christ ... the Spirit ... Lord (the Father)"
Mark 1:9-11 "Jesus ... the Spirit ... a Voice from heaven ... My beloved Son"
Mark 12:35, 36 "Christ ... the Holy Spirit ... the Lord (the Father)"
Luke 1:35 "the Holy Spirit ... the Highest ... the Son of God"
Luke 2:26, 27 "the Holy Spirit ... Christ ... Jesus"
Luke 3:21, 22 "Jesus ... the Holy Spirit ... a Voice from heaven ... My beloved Son"
Luke 10:21 "Jesus ... the Spirit ... Father"
Luke 12:9, 10 "God ... the Son ... the Holy Spirit"
John 3:5 "Jesus ... the Spirit ... God"
John 3:34, 35 "God ... the Spirit ... the Father ... the Son"
John 4:24, 25 "God ... a Spirit ... Messiah... Christ"
John 14:16, 17, 26 "the Comforter ... the Father ... in My name"
John 15:26 "the Comforter ... the Father ... of Me"
John 20:21, 22 "Jesus ... Father ... the Holy Spirit"
Acts 2:32,33 "Jesus ... God ... the Father ... the Holy Spirit"
Acts 2:38,39 "Jesus Christ ... the Holy Spirit ... God"
Acts 4:30,31 "Jesus ... the Holy Spirit ... God"
Acts 5:31,32 "God ... a Prince and Savior ... the Holy Spirit"
Acts 7:55 "the Holy Spirit ... Jesus ... God"
Acts 8:14_16 "God ... the Holy Spirit ... Jesus"
Acts 10:38 "God ... Jesus ... the Holy Spirit"
Acts 10:46_48 "God ... the Holy Spirit ... the Lord"
Acts 11:16, 17 "the Lord... the Holy Spirit ... God ... the Lord Jesus Christ"
Acts 20:21_23 "God ... Jesus ... the Holy Spirit"
Romans 1:1,3,4 "God ... His Son, Jesus Christ ... the Spirit"
Romans 5:5,6 "God ... the Holy Spirit ... Christ"
Romans 8:2,3 "the Spirit ... Jesus ... God ... His own Son"
Romans 8:8,9 "God ... the Spirit ... the Spirit of Christ"
Romans 8:16, 17 "the Spirit ... God ... Christ"
Romans 14:17, 18 "the Holy Spirit ... Christ... God"
Romans 15:12, 13 "Root of Jesse (Jesus) ... God ... Holy Spirit"
Romans 15:16 "Jesus ... God ... the Holy Spirit"
Romans 15:30 "The Lord Jesus Christ ... the Spirit ... God"
1 Corinthians 6:10, 11 "God ... the Lord Jesus... the Spirit"
I Corinthians 12:4_6 "Spirit ... Lord... God"
1 Corinthians 7:39, 40 "the Lord Jesus ... the Spirit ... God"
1 Corinthians 8:2 "the Lord Jesus ... the Spirit ... God"
2 Corinthians 3:3, 4 "the Spirit ... Christ ... God"
2 Corinthians 13:14 "Jesus... God ... the Holy Spirit"
2 Corinthians 5:5, 6 "God ... the Spirit ... the Lord (Jesus)"
Galatians 4:6, 7 "God ... the Spirit ... Son ... Father ... God ... Christ"
Ephesians 2:18 "through Him (Jesus) ... Spirit ... the Father"
Ephesians 2:21, 22 "the Lord ... God ... the Spirit"
Ephesians 3:14, 16 "the Father ... Jesus Christ ... His Spirit"
Ephesians 4:4-6 "Spirit ... Lord (Jesus) ... God and Father"
Ephesians 5:18-20 "Spirit ... Lord (Jesus) ... God ... Father"
Colossians 1:6-8 "God ... Christ ... Spirit"
1Thessalonians 4:6-8 "Lord (Jesus) ... God ... Holy Spirit"
1 Thessalonians 5:18, 19 "God ... Father ... Christ ... Jesus ... Spirit"
2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14 "God ... Lord... God ... Spirit ... Lord Jesus Christ"
Titus 3:4-6 "God ... Holy Spirit ... Jesus Christ"
Hebrews 2:3, 4 "Lord (Jesus) ... God ... Holy Spirit"
Hebrews 3:4, 6, 7 "God ... Christ... Holy Spirit"
Hebrews 6:4-6 "Holy Spirit ... God ... Son"
Hebrews 9:14 "Christ ... Spirit ... God"
Hebrews 10:29-31 "Son of God ... Spirit ... Lord ... God"
1 Peter 1:2 "God the Father ... Spirit ... Jesus Christ"
1 Peter 3:18 "Christ ... God ... Spirit"
1 Peter 4:14 "Christ ... Spirit ... God"
2 Peter 1:21 "God ... Holy Spirit... Lord (Jesus)"
2 Peter 2:1 "God ... Holy Spirit ... Lord (Jesus)"
1 John 4:2 "Spirit ... Jesus ... God"
1 John 4:13, 14 "Spirit ... Father ... Son ... Savior"
1 John 5:7 "Father... Word ... Holy Spirit"
Jude 20, 21 "the Holy Spirit... God... Lord ... Jesus Christ"
Revelation 1:9, 10 "Jesus Christ ... God ... Jesus Christ ... Spirit"
Revelation 3:5-7 "Father ... Spirit ... He that hath the key of David (Jesus)"
Revelation 14:12, 13 "God ... Jesus ... Lord ... Spirit"
Revelation 21:9, 10 "Lamb ... Spirit ... God"
Revelation 22:16-18 "the offspring of David (Jesus) ... Spirit ... God"
2006-11-18 07:37:33 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus is the part of the Godhead that became flesh and came to earth to be an example to mankind and die for our sins.
2006-11-17 08:33:44 · answer #8 · answered by ? 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
philippians 2-7
"but made himself of no reputation, and took on the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men"
this passage along with others illistrates that God in the Son form was made a man. as for prayer and baptism these were examples for us to follow. the lords prayer is also a depiction of how we should structure our prayers "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debters" is not for him but for us.
2006-11-17 08:22:44 · answer #9 · answered by thespillgood 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Everything has to be done so Scripture would be fulfilled. That is why he quoted psalms from the cross too. Everything that his bride the Church underwent - he did too.
2006-11-17 08:27:33 · answer #10 · answered by Midge 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Umm, he was setting an example for his followers. Baptism does NOT wash away sin, it is a testament of faith. Your argument on that point alone is faulty.
2006-11-17 08:16:12 · answer #11 · answered by sweetie_baby 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋