When people say the god is the "First Cause" isnt that a contradiction of the idea itself, who created god?

Question

They say the bigbang cant be the start of the universe because everything needs a cause.

Answer 1

it has been proven by quantum physicists under laboratory conditiions that everything doesnt need a cause.

i still believe in God. because my understanding of creation is not so shallow so as to seek for a first cause.

Answer 2

Ah Yes constant regression doesn't appear to work does it . Just going back and finding a cause for everything, Why does god not need a cause? because the God of classical theism is all power full all loving and all knowing he needs no cause he is just an anomaly to the rule because he can do anything .

Most causes are necessary and sufficient -

Necessary- if x is the cause of y . Then y existing shows that x must have come first. The presence of x doesn't mean y will occur however

sufficient - if x is sufficient cause of y . Then x necessarily implies the existence of y . However, z may also cause y so presence of y doesn't mean a prescience of x

Causes usually are both of these things or highly sufficient. Whereas God was seen as only Necessary hence he could affect new causes but no cause affected him.

It's called the cosmological argument if you really feel like reading more on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality - that has a lot on it

Answer 3

Try imagining a huge source of energy floating around the solar system. Over the years this energy grows. Mixed with matter it created the Big Bang theory.

The question of who created God has been asked so many times on here. The religious people will give you their version and the non religious will give you theirs. You will not get the answer you are looking for.

The high winds in the UK today are caused by all the religious buffs flicking through their bibles all at once trying to convince you it's their way and no other.

It doesn't matter how we were created as we're here now. All that matters is that we try to continue living in harmony and religion has to go as it's the biggest cause of war and death. IF, there was a God. Why would he want so many people to die in his name?

Answer 4

No one created god...or so they say, god existed before the universe and as time is a construct of man....the length of time before the beginning of a universe and the existence of god is unknown...god may infact not existed any length of time before a universe...we have no way of knowing. As for cause and effect.....the big bang is the start of a singluarity which ends in another (as others have lead me to believe) The cause of a singluarity is a failure in the equation between mass and space...in membrane theory singularities are suggested to be nothing more than where two membrane universes touching each other....so there is your cause...god is the singluarity...a point when (english fails me here cos this suggested time...the contruct of man) one membrane touched another.....a bigger question is where do all these membranes come from.

So we can not answer this...however, somethings to truely ponder are:

If good is all powerful...can he create a stone that even he can not lift...if so...he stops being all powerful. (Yes he can cos he is the singluarity...and is therefore a failure in an equation)

If god is all knowing why does he ask adam what he is doing. (Failed equations are flawed)

If god is perfect why and how can he create imperfection...why create adam when you already know as a product he will fail you....resluting in all the cr@p we see today. (Again failed equations are imperfect and if perfection is a perception then the percieved perfect is by its nature really only imperfect....but is as good as it can get....deal with it!)

sorry this is not really an answer but if you believe in cause and effect you can never have an answer only a tempory understanding of the inevitable answer which you will never arrive at regardless how long you spend on it because as energy can not be destroyed (barring it entering another singularity) there is alway another cause to whatever effect ....you see there you have it again...time that human and flawed construct that we base our logic and reasoning on.

Let us re-avaluate time then all will be answered

Mmmmm

Answer 5

Theories come and theories go. Numerous scientists now agree that the "big bang" did not, and could not, occur. Scientists have illustrated why the theory is unworkable in many professional books and journals; yet, because of media hype, news coverage, and "nature programs" often aired on TV, the public is largely unaware that scientists disagree sharply upon their diverse speculations. For every theory advanced by man, someone else has advanced facts to prove that theory wrong. Let us look briefly at what some of the scientists themselves say about the big bang theory.
"The French Mathematician, Lecompte de Nouy, examined the laws of probability that a single molecule of high dissymmetry could be formed by the action of chance. De Nouy found that, on an average, the time needed to form one such molecule of our terrestrial globe would be about 10 to the 253 power billions of years. "But," continued de Nouy, ironically, "let us admit that no matter how small the chance it could happen, one molecule could be created by such astronomical odds of chance. However, one molecule is of no use. Hundreds of millions of identical ones are necessary. Thus we either admit the miracle or doubt the absolute truth of science" (Quoted in "Is Science Moving Toward Belief in God?" by Paul A. Fisher, The Wanderer, Nov. 7, 1985; cited in Kingdoms In Conflict, C. Colson, p. 66).
"Probably the strongest argument against a 'big bang' is that when we come to the universe in total and the large number of complex condensed objects in it [stars, planets, etc.], the theory is able to explain so little" (G. Burbidge, Was There Really A Big Bang in Nature?, 233:3640).
"This persistent weakness has haunted the big bang theory ever since the 1930's. It can probably be understood most easily by thinking of what happens when a bomb explodes. After detonation, fragments are thrown into the air, moving with essentially uniform motion. As is well known in physics, uniform motion is inert, capable in itself of doing nothing. It is only when the fragments of a bomb strike a target-a building for example-that anything happens... But in a big bang there are not targets at all, because the whole universe takes part in the explosion. There is nothing for the expanded material to hit against, and after sufficient expansion, the whole affair should go dead" (Fred Hoyle, "The Big Bang in Astronomy," in New Scientist, 92, 1981, pp. 521, 523).
"The Big Bang is pure presumption. There are no physical principles from which it can be deduced that all of the matter in the universe would ever gather together in one location or an explosion would occur if the theoretical aggregation did take place.Theorists have great difficulty in constructing any self-consistent account of the conditions existing at the time of the hypothetical Big Bang. Attempts at mathematical treatment usually lead to concentration of the entire mass of the universe at a point. The central thesis of Big Bang cosmology,' says Joseph Silk, 'is that about 20 billion years ago, any two points in the observable universe were arbitrarily close together. The density of matter at this moment was infinite.'This concept of infinite density is not scientific. It is an idea from the realm of the supernatural, as most scientists realize when they meet infinities in other physical contexts. 'If we get infinity [when we calculate], how can we ever say that this agrees with nature?' This point alone is enough to invalidate the Big Bang theory in all its various forms" (Dewey B. Larson, The Universe of Motion, 1984, p. 415).
"The naive view implies that the universe suddenly came into existence and found a complete system of physical laws waiting to be obeyed" (W.H. McCrea, "Cosmology after Half a Century," Science, Vol. 160, June 1968, p. 1297).

Answer 6

Words cover more than reveal, but they are what we have. "First" Cause means there is no other, that God (Cause) is All That Is. A bang, whether big or small, can be a cause, but in the case of the physical universe, it was a causeless cause, because the universe as we know it was not created, but projected in the mind of God's Son.

Answer 7

Whatever created God, you would then have to ask who was the one that created the one that created God.

God existed. That's the end of it! Why cannot people accept this. Instead they want to accept what man has said about the creation of the universe, which has been proven that they have made many mistakes.

Where is the proof of what science supposedly answers? That my question to you?

Answer 8

I have never seen a question that evokes as many answers with which I am in almost total agreement. The "reducto ad adsurdum", all philosophy's (including physicists') arguments, and even our languages and concepts of time just aren't sufficient to declare that G-d does or does not exist. He is. But this knowledge emanates from our 'intuition', perhaps that which makes us human and that is all. Even a GUT (Grand Unification Theory) or TOE (Theory of Everything) from theoretical physicists, if it ever evolves from whatever the next popular theory is after string theory, after Hawkings, after Quantum Theory, after Relativity, after Newton (get the idea?). We are as lowly amoebae attempting to understand the space program that placed humans on the moon with about as much chance of success, when we try to divine G-d's essence or existence.

Answer 9

Trying to understand something that has no beginning or end is hard because nothing in this world is like that. The reason we can't understand is because we are ruled by time. But God isn't. God created time and therefore is outside of time, meaning that he is eternal.

Answer 10

Scientists say that there was not a 'before the big bang', that everything, including time, began at that point. That seems a reasonable stance, to me.

Creationists claim that the universe was made by God, which implies that God existed before the universe, and that God himself had a creator. That does not seem reasonable nor logical to me.