Do you really think you'll get a chance to choose Christ after?

Question

you die?? Seriously, once you're there, you'll know it is true. Faith will no longer be required. Faith is what He asked for. Is it really justice to ask for your faith and then let you choose after you see the proof??? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it??

Hebrews 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, (Note, there's no second chance mentioned before the judgment)

How logical is it to live as you wish, then hope that if God is real, you'll have a second chance??

(Don't bother answering "it isn't real" - I want answers based on the assumption that it is true.)

I ask this because of some answers I've seen here on YA. I'm challenging the faulty logic of some people's beliefs.

Answer 1

I think you pretty much anwered you own question. My belief (knowledge)...No. Once that trumpet sounds (or you earlthy body passes away-whichever happens to come first), the fat lady has sung and your fate for all of eternity is sealed.

Answer 2

Okay, let us assume god is real. God is defined by six primary traits: omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omni-loving, omni-just, omni-merciful. The last three are of interest -- Infinitely Loving, Infinitely Just, Infinitely Merciful.

Now, the concern is if I will go to Hell.

Christians and Muslims define Hell (Judaism has no such concept) as an eternity of suffering, that is, infinitely long suffering. Regardless of if the suffering is itself moment to moment finite or infinite, because the TIME in infinite, I will be punished infinitely.

I am mortal and therefore finite. As a finite, mortal being, my actions take some descrete amount of time and have some finite effect. Since my time is limited, I can take only a finite number of actions, each having finite results. Thus, I can only cause a finite amount of error.

The most fundamental basis of Justice is equvalent exchange -- eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. That is, the punishment must fit the crime.

Infinite punishment does not fit the crime of finite error, therefore, the infinite hell of Christians and Muslims is unjust. This contradicts an All-Just God. Further, it is not Loving or Merciful either.

Therefore, the Christian and Muslim version of Hell are in error. It could still exist but the duration and intensity wouldh ave to be non-infinite, which means at some point the punishment would end.

Answer 3

The Church (including St. Paul) has always prayed for the Souls of the Dearly Departed....

Ever wonder why?

The New Testament and early Christian writings offer some evidence for purgatory. In 2 Timothy 1:18, St. Paul prays for Onesiphorus, who has died. The earliest mention of prayers for the dead in public Christian worship is by the writer Tertullian in 211 A.D.

Your "sola scriptura" method of "only the Bible" did not appear on the Christian scene for almost 1,500 years.

That's a lot of Christians and a lot of faith over many centuries....all of whom would have no idea what you are even talking about. Making entire doctrines out of a single scripture, taken out of context. Indeed!!!??

Methinks perhaps you have made yourself a "Paper Pope" and not even realized it!

There was a time when there was no Canon of Scripture. No Bible. What on earth did those poor Christians do in the Early Church??

Never forget - the Church gave us the Bible - not the other way around.

Or, are we really thinking that God came down and delivered a Leather-bound King James Bible with The Words of Christ in Red into Moses' hands from the burning bush on Mt. Sinai??

Answer 4

Some people do, and I think it has to do with those praying for person who died for God to heal.

One man had a heart attack and ended up at hells gates. He was religious and cried out to Jesus and asked why he was there. Jesus told him he needed to be born again. He woke up in the hospital bed. This happened twice. The second time He confessed Jesus to come into His heart, etc. and was born of God.

I think that when a person truly dies with no more chances is when they have passed through to where they are going (like hells gates or heavens gates or the places of rest).

Many have died and ended at the gates but not entered in, and came back to life to tell their story.


The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life for those who believe. Not by works lest anyone boast.

Answer 5

Real faith is knowing that God was smart enough to make sure that everyone goes to heaven.

Anything else is only partial faith.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 6

OK, so assuming that your example is true, I would still not "choose Christ." I have too many problems with spending all of eternity with the Christian god-concept and his followers. Kissing Jehovah's butt for a bajillion years while living next door to all those axe murderers and child molesters that "get saved" just in time is not my idea of paradise.

Answer 7

Based on the assumption that there is a christian god, I still choose not to worship it. Have you looked at this f*cked up world? If there is an omnipotent, omniscient creator, it's done a piss poor job and I'm not going to spend eternity pretending otherwise. I'll burn with my integrity intact, thank you much.

Answer 8

The Word means something to me and you, but it means nothing to them. It is like Jesus said in Luke chapter 8:
" The knowledge of the Kingdom of God has been given to you, but to the rest it comes by means of parables, so that they may look but not see, and listen but not understand."

Answer 9

Sorry, I cannot assume it is true. See, you ask a question and want answers the way you see fit. No. I do not hope god is real, believers do.

Answer 10

Good post! After you die, you've lost your chance, for all eternity. End of story, in this, there is no second chance.