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He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth. By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due? His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth. But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand. As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities. Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors.
Isaiah 53:3-12

2006-11-16 01:38:23 · 11 answers · asked by 5solas 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The question is, how can ANYONE deny it?

It's my understanding that Jews who reject Jesus as Messiah spiritualize the references to "Him" and "He" and interpret this "person" as the nation of Israel. This is completely unsubstantiated by Isaiah's words, yet they will not relent. Their position ignores one fatal flaw: never has (or will) Israel bear the sins of all humankind. This can only be a Messianic prophecy and nothing else.

Peace.

EDIT: "Ronin," please answer the question. When has Israel and the Jewish people born the sins of all human kind? God tells you the Jews went into captivity due to their OWN sins. The prophesies about Messiah and the sword, such as Isaiah 63, are not dated. Look at Daniel 9:26 and 27, which will confirm Messiah will be "cut off," or die, yet He will live on.

"J.P." Torah is already written on the hearts of the true remnant. See Jeremiah 31:31. The only way to be part of the true remnant is to accept God's New Covenant. What will you do with this knowledge? God commands you to listen to Him, not to Kabbalah! I also urge you to study Daniel 9:26-27, which tells you the annointed will be born and die BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.

2006-11-16 01:49:11 · answer #1 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 0 0

One prophecy does not HaMasiach make.

When the Messiah comes, it will be the utter end of sin -- NOT the consequences of it, but of sin itself. Torah will be written directly onto the hearts of all men (and women) and sin will never happen again.

Jesus claimed he would tear down the Temple (didn't happen until 70 AD) and rebuild it in three days (The Dome of the Rock remains on that holy site). If Jesus was talking about himself, then he was claiming that the Temple was G-d, which is false. The Temple itself is not G-d, that would be idolatry.

In short, Yshua was born during the wrong time period entirely. An important lesson I learned from Kabbalah: HaMasiach can not come until he is no longer needed. I see sin in the world. I see death. I see war. I see hate. HaMasiach is still needed, therefore, he could not have come.

You are following a false prophet.

So many men throughout history have meet the terms of what Isaiah 53 says. Alone, it is insufficient evidence.

2006-11-16 01:45:31 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Because earlier in Isaiah, the identity of the servant is explicitly stated as being Israel (the entire nation spoken of as a single entity). How can Christian ignore such an obvious statement and continue with the charade that Isaiah 53 speaks of Jesus.

2006-11-16 03:19:52 · answer #3 · answered by mzJakes 7 · 0 0

can you find one part in that entire Chapter that talks about the Messiah?

and one more thing if your going to take everything in their literally then it could not be Jesus

He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand

according to the Bible Jesus had no Children. He most certainly did not have a long life and how the heck did he prosper?

2006-11-16 14:15:17 · answer #4 · answered by Gamla Joe 7 · 0 0

Believe me you will not get a satisfactory answer. Many people being blind & deaf as Yeshua said will try to protect his/ her own ignorance & stubornness by sophistication & philosophy...

Just know that Yahushua ( Yeshua) was the messiah. He truly came & fulfilled all prophecies & will come back again with a sword for final judgement. Nothing is out of context

2006-11-16 01:52:34 · answer #5 · answered by Theresa 3 · 1 0

Daniel 9:24-27 KJV Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

2016-03-28 22:23:17 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

The Jews will tell you ,it is a prophecy about Israel itself,but of course that is not so.He will come with a sword but that is the second part of the prophecies.Peter says the prophets who wrote these didn't even understand how it could be ,but they wrote as the Spirit of God told them.

2006-11-16 01:53:06 · answer #7 · answered by AngelsFan 6 · 1 0

Ronin can you tell us where those prophecies are?

Well said asker.

JP, as long as there are humans on the earth (that have a sin nature) there will be sin. So when the Messiah comes, according to your argument, there will be no more humans on the earth.

2006-11-16 01:45:49 · answer #8 · answered by GLSigma3 6 · 1 0

You're quoting this out of context. (I have been waiting to say this for years). You are ignoring the prophecies that claim he will come bearing a sword and be a great military leader.

2006-11-16 01:42:54 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Besides for Gratvol's excellent point's, you have a mistranslation. The Hebrew doesn't say pierced.

2006-11-16 15:01:45 · answer #10 · answered by ysk 4 · 0 0

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