AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is also my savior and my best friend. Hes the only one who gets me through each day. The guy who told you that...is sad. Who needs proof...its a little thing we call faith my friend. Those people will just learn the hard way. Pray for those people like that who need to be saved. Very good question..And i totally agree with you. God bless!!
2006-11-14 22:21:18
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answered by Anonymous
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David Israel (aliases Ben, Prince7, Dalan_I, etc. and whatever other names you are now posting under):
The major problems with interpreting Isaiah 9:6 involve poor translation and the fact that Jesus does not fit the description of the Messiah. The words translated as "is" and "will be" should all be past tense. "Vayikra shemo," properly translated, is "called his name" or "his name was called." So rather than being a prophecy, it recalls past events. The Hebrew text in Jewish translation uses verbs that are conjugated in the past tense, describing events which already occurred. The consensus of the scholars is that Isaiah 9:6 refers to King Hezekiah, the very name of which means "mighty God". The entire chapter and those surrounding it explains that the subject was Hezekiah.
There are other reasons why Jesus would not fit in this context. "The child's" ascension to power is shown in a continuous narrative to power flowing from the child's birth, not two thousand years into the future when Jesus was allegedly born.
According to Matthew 10:34 Jesus is quoted as saying he did not come to bring peace, yet if the Isaiah verses were a prophecy, they state that bringing peace is precisely what the Messiah will do as "the Prince of Peace". However, the Isaiah verses are not prophecy but recounting of past events.
Jesus does not fit Isaiah 9:6.
The Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) proclaims the coming Messiah, will be a descendant of David, (Son of David). Comparing the Jewish and Christian understanding of who the Messiah is, we see two different people.
The differences revolve around the role and nature Messiah would play in the world. Jews reject the idea of the Messiah fulfilling two roles - (1) “Suffering Messiah” and (2) as “King Messiah”.
Judaism also rejects as *blasphemous* the idea, that the Messiah would be the Son of God, very God, not to mention the idea that as God he died for the sins of the world!
Who is "God", Judaism vs. Christianity:
Christians view the Messiah as God who came in the flesh, to pay for the sins of mankind, fulfilling prophecy. Jewish view: According to Judaism Messiah is only a man, and nothing more, greater then Moses, but only a man.
What is "Son of God": Christians view the Messiah, as not only a “Son of David” but as God who came into the world through “Virgin birth” and thus becoming “Son of God”. Jews view Messiah as only the “Son of man” descendant of David.
On the matter of "Dying for sin":
Christians view Messiah death as the ultimate atonement for sin. Messiah death paid for the sins of the world. According to Maimonides, if the person who claims to be Messiah dies before fulfilling all the prophecies, he cannot be Messiah, let alone die for the sins of the world.
2006-11-15 00:48:52
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answered by Sweetchild Danielle 7
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great reproduction/paste. I see you do no longer comprehend your meant place nicely adequate to place it on your individual words. Archaeology has shown that a number of the failings written approximately have been actual. It has additionally shown that some issues did no longer take place the way the Bible reported. The lifeless Sea Scrolls tutor that the textual content textile is historic, no longer that it particularly is actual. The authors of the gospels intentionally echoed passages from the old testomony to make it sound like Jesus grew to become into satisfying prophecy. The Psalms have been by no ability meant as prophecy. via the way, each prophecy in the Harry Potter series got here actual, so via that reasoning it would be divine reality. Or, consistent with threat you prefer to evaluate the thought the authors of a e book can actual make it sound as though prophecy is being fulfilled via the way they write a narrative. Lives have been replaced via all distinctive religions, non secular practices and self-help methods, and analyzing the Bible has grew to become rather some people into unbelievers. isn't it handy that unbelief is asserted to be the effect of a few own flaw in the unbeliever particularly than the religion itself? isn't it handy that totally everyone who reads the Bible and sees it for the classic decision of non secular thoughts that that's could nicely be disregarded via claiming they have not got the Spirit to lead them? maximum cults have comparable teachings; they declare that purely those in the cult can see needless to say jointly as those exterior the cult who ask perplexing questions have not been blessed adequate to swallow what the cult leaders are pushing.
2016-10-22 03:08:26
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answered by ? 4
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David Israel,
You are a Christian. I do know that you seem to have some psychological disorders and therefore may not be capable of hearing dissent. Nonetheless, I must tell you david that I think this evil and deceptive form of missionizing you are perpetrating is degrading Christianity and the good, normal christians who practice it.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApnC4dngKeRuGKyqQldbLd_zy6IX?qid=20060723102937AA4N2eb
. It is, by definition, impossible for it to be "jewish" to believe in jesus. "Jewish" is, by defintion, what jews have historically and contemporarily believe. Since in neither scenario do we find "believing in jesus", then we must clearly realize that belief in jesus is not something "jewish". You can call it "biblical" (and still be wrong), but certainly not "jewish".
. On the side, the subject of Isaiah 53 is promised a "long life" and "seed" (i.e. physical children). Clearly this isn't about jesus.
. And Isaiah 7 is clearly not messianic if you read the whole chapter. and "alma" doesn't mean virgin either. You'd know that if you spoke hebrew (I guess learning basic hebrew wasn't part of your "extensive jewish upbringing", huh?)
. On the side, Isaiah 9 can't be about jesus since, according to christianity, he's the "son" not the "father" (as the verse states). Nor did he have control of the government (to the contrary, the roman government killed him). And he certainly did not establish "endless peace".
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Sources:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp
http://jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/general_messiah-criteria02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messiah#Textual_requirements
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oh, and lastly, I've decided that you truly epitomize everything I find intensely intellectually unsatisfying about christianity.
2006-11-15 00:36:24
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answered by Anonymous
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If you believe that you are saved, good for you. If you believe that salvation is yours then to you it is true. To me, it is not a truth.
Was he right? That's a personal question and a personal answer. No-one else, no matter what authority they have can tell you otherwise.
You walk your path and others will walk theirs. Please, as a new found Christian, remember to respect and honor the beliefs of those that differ from you. In the end it will make you a better Christian and a better human being.
2006-11-14 22:23:42
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answered by Seth R 1
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Friend that guy you mentioned was wrong, Jesus is NOT a fairy tell, He is alive & well, He also lives in my heart also & has been for over 36 yrs. Don't pay any attention to what Unbelievers say, That is satan trying to discourage you & doubt your experince with God. True Christians will lift another Christian up & not put them down.
2006-11-14 22:21:19
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answered by Anonymous
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Yes, he is wrong. I have had many blessings and great things happen in my life since I became a born again Christian. Jesus is my saviour.
2006-11-14 22:21:26
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answered by Anonymous
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My Jesus if no fairy tale. I am convinced
2006-11-14 22:20:36
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answered by martha d 5
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It's funny what people can convince themselves of.
2006-11-14 22:34:27
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answered by eri 7
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woah! good for you!
2006-11-14 22:18:18
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answered by Anonymous
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