Does having faith in god make you an agnostic?

Question

Faith is usually defined as belief beyond evidence, in other words, you believe something, such as god, without any evidence.

faith click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith ----"faith refers to belief beyond evidence or logical arguments, sometimes called "implicit faith"--wiki

Agnosticism is having a belief in a deity, while believing the existence of that deity is inherently unknowable. so, from the point of view of an agnostic, they can believe in god and also believe there is no evidence to prove gods existence. thus, belief without evidence.

agnosticism click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism ----"theological claims regarding metaphysics, afterlife or the existence of God, god(s), or deities — is unknown or inherently unknowable" ---wiki

christians and many different religions seem to always have evidence for their belief in god's existence. From this point of view they would not have faith, for faith is belief without evidence.

so, it seems that agnostics are the ones with faith, while the thesist (christians etc...) are the one without faith. maybe that explains the many problems with todays religions.

typical answers are a misunderstanding of the terms of faith and agnostic, so, I left some links to some credible sources for understanding the terms.

rhs: notice i left some links to click on..if you click on them you will also notice that you are mistaken.

here it is from the page itself---"Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of god(s), but still believe in such an existence."

i hope i dont have to spell it out for you.

here is some more for the brave:----"Many noted philosophers and theologians have espoused the idea that faith is the basis of all knowledge."

and some more:---"Critics of the term "agnostic" claim that there is nothing distinctive in being agnostic because even many theists do not claim to know god(s) exists -- only to believe it. Under this asserted distinction between the words "belief" and "knowledge," agnosticism has recently started suffering from terminological ambiguity. While critics maintain the distinction is not contrived; others reject the distinction as trifling. By contrast, compare:

* "I believe god(s) exist(s)" means that "I know god(s) exist(s)".
* "I believe god(s) exist(s)" can still mean "I don't know if god(s) exist(s)".

read the whole thing, because you guys don't seem to see the difference between believing in god and not believing in god's existence, because of no evidence that meets a standard of proof.

and not having evidence, but still believing is consistent with both faith and being an agnostic.

are you guys smokin pot when you answer these questions. maybe you should be.

Answer 1

Nice argument, but out of context. Thank you for providing the link on agnosticism however, it was very informative.

Your main error: paragraph 4 explains that the existence of God is unknown or unknowable by agnostics, therefore paragraph 3 is incorrect.

Belief is a personal experience of knowledge, knowledge being simply a collection of agreements, which is often confused with truth. Absolute truth is knowable, but not communicable (subject to "terminal ambiguity" due to the fluid nature of language). But it is always fun to try, yes?

Answer 2

Gee i guess if a person you had known for several years or lets say all your life had the characteristic of always telling you the truth, and never letting you down, and he says you know, I'm going to pay off all your debts. I guess you would refuse his offer.

As God has promised by historical accuracy in the bible, including accurate prophecy, (includes the naming of King Cyrus about 400 yrs before was born to be a king) also The book of Daniel that mentions the beginning of the end of days from 607 BC to 1914, and the sacrifice Jesus paid for all persons, you do not trust God? Actually there are many misunderstanding because of tradition and persons that interpret their own meaning of what the scriptures say, but If the bible has been correct in the past and has been accurate now in our time , it may/must/will be correct on what it says in the future.

Answer 3

You are misinterpreting the definition of agnosticism: it is NOT having a belief in a deity. Faith is specifically excluded from an agnostic's beliefs -- that is precisely why an agnostic cannot claim that the existence of a deity is knowable. If you have faith in the existence of god (i.e., you believe in it), then you are, by definition, not an agnostic. For an exhaustive treatment of the subject, see the reference.