What did the Vatican II really Say?
Pope Paul VI says a person cannot be saved who refuses to enter the Catholic church.
Show me that in the Bible. Show me one verse that says you have to enter or join a religious organization to be saved.
Catholics teach that a person is saved through the Roman Catholic Church and its sacraments, especially through baptism; they do not believe that salvation can be obtained by grace through faith in Christ alone.
Pope Paul VI also said that a person could not be saved if he or she refused to remain in the Catholic church.
Again, show me that in the Bible? There is no such teaching in God's Word.
Vatican II was admitted to have been a disaster of immense proportions, initiating a process of destruction of the Church.
2006-11-14 09:42:27
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answered by House Speaker 3
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Everything essential was the same. Same sacraments, same priesthood, same prayers, same Eucharist, same Mass, same Church. The substance of such things can never be changed. Only some of the externals have been changed, to make full participation in the Church more readily available to more people. About the only thing of real substance that was introduced was the reinstitution of the permanent diaconate, which is certainly one of the major gifts to the Church that has come out of the great Council. The Mass celebrated in the language of the people has also been greatly appreciated by most Catholics, though in fact it is a peripheral thing, not really part of the substance of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Just about everything else introduced has been mere logistics. I don't find being Catholic now much different from being Catholic then. Catholic is Catholic.
2006-11-14 09:42:25
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answered by PaulCyp 7
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Did you google Vatican Council II?
2006-11-14 09:35:04
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answered by Sick Puppy 7
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From my memory:
I'd have to say that the Tridentine (Latin) Mass definitely had a more reverent and mysterious feel to it - the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist was not only taught - but it was shown, day after day, Sunday after Sunday in the Holy Liturgy of the Mass...
Seeing Acolytes holding golden patens under the chins of Communicants, who were taught to receive Holy Communion on their tongues, and only from the Priest (not the irreverent way of today where the people grab the Host and pop it into their mouths like a piece of popcorn after receiving from some lady in a flowered pantsuit)...so that no crumb should hit the ground....
Women and girls wearing white lace mantillas on their heads in reverence for the Most Holy and Blessed Sacrament of the Altar. Men wearing coats and ties and polished shoes to church....
The Creed was personal...not corporate - we said "I believe..." instead of "We believe..."
There was no "half-time" break in the Mass where now folks wander around saying "the peace of God" at the most holy place in the Mass (the fraction of the Host)....
The pre-Vatican II Canon of the Mass said that Christ's Blood was shed for "you and for many..." for the remission of sins (as it says in the Scriptures...) - now it says for "you and for ALL" - which was not what Christ said at all....
We did not eat meat on Fridays to remind us that Christ suffered on Good Friday for the sins of the world....
The Holy Tabernacle containing the Reserved Sacrament was on the High Altar....not shoved off into some side chapel....
2006-11-14 10:07:05
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answered by Anonymous
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consider a focus on why the change took place. What was going on...did the people feel disconnected to the church. And hey, what of change.
search away: "why vatican II?"
doh!
2006-11-14 09:37:55
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answered by Mr X 2
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It was more strict. I think every friday Catholics were supposed to not eat meat. Latin masses were the only masses at that time. I can't really say anything else.
2006-11-14 09:34:03
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answered by cynical 6
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