I asked a question regarding LDS Massacring other innocent people in their past?

Question

and was told it was a drop in the bucket compared to atrocities committed against them. Does this mean they are the only ones that need not turn the other cheek? The reason I ask is when they go door to door they say other Churches have lost their grace from God by committing such acts as these? I do not understand the double standard here.

Yes If I was done wrong once I am sure I would want to kill 120 men women and children in one of the most horrible massacres ever perpetrated.

Answer 1

You are correct.

Answer 2

Ok so I'm going to try to answer a lot of questions at once here.

No, it doesn't mean that we are the only ones who don't need to turn the other cheek. Everyone needs to turn the other cheek. But scripture also says if your not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, then (I paraphrase) go and do what needs to be done. This does NOT condone the murder of innocent people. But maybe this is what they were thinking. There was a lot of anamosity towards people not of our faith, by some of the Pioneers. They felt like they were finally in a place where no one would harm them or drive them from one place to another, then (it may have seemed to them) all of a sudden westward migration took hold and gold in California brought many right through what would become Utah. Perhaps (and in error) they thought it was going to happen all over again. While it doesn't make it right, I can see some of them being so angry at what happened at Haun's Mill, and seeing the temple they sacraficed for and had literally just completed burn to the ground as they were forced to cross a frozen river in the dead of winter, and all the other atrocities they witnessed, that they would want pay back and would want to protect themselves from having to go through it again. It's not something that's talked about much because it's something that most wish had never happened and that we regard as wrong.
And the missionaries should not be saying that other churches have "lost their grace" by committing such acts. We may point out differences between the different faiths, but we shouldn't go about bashing another religion.

And yes, Mav, it does concern Mountain Meadows.

Answer 3

There is no double standard. Those people will be held accountable for whatever they did. But why condemn an entire religion based on what may have been a bad decision made by a few people of that religion?

And, the LDS do not say that other Churches have lost their grace due to people's actions. They will share doctrinal differences, but they don't talk about the down points in other religion's histories (at least they shouldn't).

Answer 4

I don't have my commentaries on that event at work, but let me see if I can explain the concept of paranoia to you. Supposing every time you went outdoors, someone came out from behind a tree and hit you with a mud ball. It didn't matter what time of day it was, you might even try sneaking out in the middle of the night to see if you could go run errands without being splattered with mud in a very painful way, causing damage to your clothes, your state of well-being, and perhaps at some point, even your eyesight. But no matter where you went, you always got hit - and it was maddening because there was a law that you couldn't defend yourself against it. Even if you moved to another house, or another city, or another state, the same thing happened, and you had no real legal recourse, so you were always trying to keep your eyes peeled to see what might be coming the second you went outdoors. Now let's say you finally moved so far away that there was no chance anyone could have the chance of throwing mudballs at you ever again, but when you had just settled in, supposing someone passed by outside your door with a whole truck full of mudballs. Now the person with the truck hadn't said they were going to throw the mudballs, but you could still see the potential of being hit again. In fact, a whole truck full of mudballs that close to you made you so nervous that you had a mental breakdown then and there, simply because of years of past experience. You might decide to take a garden hose and forcefully enter that truck and water down all the mudballs before they could be thrown at you. I'm using a hypothetical example, because most people have never gone through three or five or ten or even 15 years of paranoia in real life, where you would be fearing for your personal safety or that your possessions or land could be confiscated or destroyed, or that helpless members of your family could be assaulted or shot any time of the day. I actually have some experience with the latter, having had my family at the mercy of some greedy lawyers and bankers and disgruntled people over a period of about 15 years. Believe me, it was more than difficult to stay kind and Christian and forgiving after that many years. I do know Brigham Young sent word as quickly as he was able to in order to tell the small group of Mormons in southern Utah who were involved in the Mountain Meadows Massacre not to lay a finger on the settlers passing through, and he was as definite and adamant as possible, but the counsel arrived too late. As for your claim that people go door to door saying other churches have lost their grace, I am mystified by that since I was a missionary and never once did we say anything about other churches falling from grace, but we did point out that after the original 12 Apostles were killed off, as well as those that took their place, that the office of Apostle was lost from the earth, and the Priesthood of God as well, in what became known as the start of the Great Apostasy. We never said a word about massacres or Crusades or anything else you may be referring to. Have a happy day, and I send you a gummy bear.

Answer 5

~~ Midge ,,, The Infamous "Mountain Meadows Massacre" is what The Mormons (LDS) do not want us Gentiles to be aware of, among a lot of other info which would reveal to all The Fraud of The LDS Church and Mormon Doctrine. Just find out about their 15 year old self-proclaimed Prophet who could NEVER PROVE ANYTHING of his assertions, And if the person who answered your question about Religious Massacres and qualified it by saying that Mormons received much more than they gave, does not in any way diminish the FACT they indeed committed Multiple Murder for selfish motives. Get used to it,,, The World's Religions are chock full of Double Standards. Hence, we have coined a term from mankind's religious past,,,,Hypocrites.

Answer 6

They have not been around long enough or they did not exist during the more violent times in this world.

How can a whole faith lose Grace from God?

We are ALL humans and all of us will lose Grace at one time or another.

That is why Jesus brought us Redemption.

That is also why I became Catholic.

God Bless you!

Answer 7

please, please, do not judge an entire religion based on one statement you have heard on the internet. There is no double standard. i think that you are confused/do not fully understand the beliefs of the LDS church. try visiting www.mormon.org for basic beliefs or contacting a local church if you are interested in more information.

Answer 8

It cracks me up when one Christian puts down another Christian. You people cannot even get along with each other.

Answer 9

Anytime "God is on our side", the worst things happen, whether they are Mormons or Jews or Christians or Catholics.

Also, they have no right to tell me that I am going to hell because my beliefs are not their beliefs

Answer 10

Don't confuse the young "elders" who knock on your door. They only know what their brainwashers, err, I mean trainers taught them.

Very few LDS missionaries know LDS doctrine well. Most of them are just doing what they are expected to do when they turn 18; go peddle the false gospel of Mormonism.

Answer 11

Mav wonder if you are talking about Mountain Meadows?