I have a theory, but I need to check it for flaws. Tell me, do you see any?

Question

In a stable reality such as ours, the law of cause and effect governs much of what happens. However, some people, though they realize this, are unable to put it together with other facts. Facts such as time flowing forwards, and the many theories that attempt to explain our very existence. I, however, believe I have done just that. This is my new disproof of atheism. Contrary to the popular atheistic belief that every particle of matter in the universe had always been there, such would mean that the matter would have an infinite past. An infinite past inside the control of time is impossible if time does not (literally) flow backwards, which we all know it does not, for if it did, our experience of reality would flow backwards and cease to exist once the memories in our experiences are passed by. Now we've established that time does not flow backwards, and infinite pasts can only exist if it did. However, anything outside of time can have an infinite past. (more info in details)

This is because when anything exists outside of time, its entire existence is occurring forever. Only when something exists outside of time can it have existed forever, for time no longer limits its existence to a beginning forward. And the being that exists outside of time is the God depicted in monotheistic religions, and may be the being with severely altered depictions in other faiths, as well. For with existence of anything within forward-flowing time requiring a beginning to exist at all, only a being that exists outside of time can change the nonexistence inside of time with omnipotence. And this is how the universe came to be.

Yes, lydia, you are on the right track.

To Crisscross: I had already stated that God existed outside of time, and this justifies his existence without a beginning.

To Warren Peace: You claim that the Big Bang theory does not use the theory of a preexisting universe. However, the Big Bang theory involves all the matter in the universe coming together. This would require that the universe had existed before. And you may say that another big bang created that universe, but if that were the way things were, there would be an infinite cycle of implosion and explosion of the universe, and thus, an infinite past. Perhaps you'd best try thinking before you talk, hmm?

To Weedancer: Do you even know which side of the debate I am on? You claim that I am trying to disprove God's existence, when I clearly stated otherwise.

To Doppleganger 918: You seem to have missed some points in my theory. Try reading it again. Also, it seems I'm not the only one who's trying to proove a point (you are, too), but you need more proof.

I suppose I should reply to Robotron5.0's answer, too. Whether it is matter or energy, it could not have existed forever, no matter how many times it would have changed. Besides, when you are omnipotent, YOU MAKE the rules, and you can disobey them as you wish.

Answer 1

oh yes that is a great theory.

Answer 2

Here's your flaw:

"Contrary to the popular atheistic belief that every particle of matter in the universe had always been there,"

This is not exactly what atheists believe. We (some of us) believe in the scientific theory of the Big Bang, which concludes that the universe did in fact have a beginning. Before Big Bang, nobody knows what was going on.

Also, btw atheists (or agnostics) don't claim to have the answers, but we believe that nobody else has the answer either.

For any more such theories, I suggest you read A Brief History of Time to become more familiar with the view from the scientific establishment.

Hope this helps you out.

Answer 3

fault 1
atheists to believe they are atheists dont have to be live that every particle of atoms in existence have always been here, they may not believe this or may not have an opinion

fault 2

simply because i cant not tell you how the pyramids were build does not mean they were built by aliens

fault 3

nothing can exist outside of time anymore more than something can exist outside of temperature. It is a measure or mathematical value

fault 4
you have included as an axium that only if something exixts outside of time can it exist forever. Why is this?
why cant something exist for all of time, therefore exist forever.

ok looking at your theory


maximum
reality is stable and one of the features is that cause and effect operates.time flows forward. events are controlled by time

proposition

if there is an infinite past there must be a god

proof

time does not flow backwards

therefore

if time does not flow backwards there can not be an infinite past

how ever if matter has existed for ever ther there isnt any reason that time could have not have also existed for ever.

you logic falls down on this faulty or unspported axium, you have given no reason to support why time cant have always existed. you logic also falls down in that something can exist outside of time. your logic also falls don that even if all of your therories about time and existance is true , it does not disprove there is nota god nor does it prove there is a god. once agin if i cant prove how the pyramids were build does not disprove that the pyramids were buiold or that aliens built them. your therory if correct at best proves that out understand of time and matter is not complete( which is already know)

(btw just to make you head explode, if you travel at 90% of the speed of light for 100 years earth time then it would seem only 14 years had passed ship time)

Answer 4

Time is merely the measurement of change. If there is no change, time is meaningless.

Atoms are made of particles, and they are made of quarks, which are made of barks, made of darks, ad infinitum. All revolving around each other thus acting as a solid as we know it. Much like the spokes of a bicycle tire; when at a standstill, you can put your hand right through it, but moving steadily, it acts as a solid preventing your hand from passing.

Therefore, if such change is stopped, matter would dissipate into nothingness. The darks would stop revolving to form the barks....the barks would stop forming quarks, which would stop forming particles and atoms and molecules and hence, matter would cease to exist. Nothing can exist without change.


Edit: Proof?? it's common logic


Additional comment:
"when you are omnipotent, YOU MAKE the rules, and you can disobey them as you wish."

????? I thought we were talking about a STABLE reality ?????
Now, it's make it up as you go? The more you comment on your own theory, the more it collapses.

Answer 5

study some Quantum Physics and re-calibrate your formula with more science than fancy words and it may make sense.

basically you are saying that nothing can have a past because time does not flow backwards. but that god is outside of time. if god were outside of time then he would have no knowledge of time. therefore if he created a universe based on the foreword flowing concept of time he would be putting himself within the boundaries of time itself. therefore he would himself cease to have an infinite past because in a universe of foreword momentum nothing can have an infinite past. so a being that had an infinite past may very well cease to exist after the creation of an abstract time...

Circular reasoning works both ways. and is not a good way to try to prove the existence of the divine. rely on faith

Answer 6

You are forgetting about one of the basic laws of the universe in which we reside. In our universe energy can neither be destroyed or created, it can only be changed. Matter is made up of energy, so logic would dictate that energy has always been here, just in different forms at different times. Matter simply put is just energy existing in a stable form. Some forms more stable than others.

Answer 7

You statement about time "for if it did, our experience of reality would blow backwards and cease to exist..." is irrelevant and confuses the issue. And the fact that time flows forward is self-evident and need not be explained in your short piece.

The rest of your theory in details is a mite confusing. But keep on theorizing.

Answer 8

You can try all your hearts desire to explain why there is not a God but until you have studied the Bible you will never get a honest answer. So please be fair to everyone including and above all yourself and study both sides of the thought or else your really not educated enough to make any valid statement.


Edit: My apologies to you .You are correct in correcting me. I went back and reread you statement ( this time while not being interrupted by a knock at my door and my granddaughter wanting to get out of the bath).
Again my apologies to you.

Answer 9

I barely understood a thing you said. But i think i understand, are you saying that to prove that we have an infinite past time would have to flow backwards instead of forwards as it does now?

Answer 10

TIME is the philosophical category denoting the sequence of appearance of matter in a certain place. There is nothing outside of time. Your theory is flawed because it assumes that a supreme being existed outside of time.

Answer 11

Personally I think this is far from the proof you are looking for. I see you could use it as evidence but proof... NAW.... I really think that Chirality of proteins that are used to make up the DNA molecule has stronger scientific evidence that life had to come from intelligent design.. But go with what works for you... Jim