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is unbiblical..
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Total Depravity (Man cannot of himself respond to the gospel/he is dead in sin)

Unconditional Election - God has chosen some unto salvation not based on anything we have done including knowledge of foreknown events

Limited Atonement - (Also known as Particular Redemption) That Christ died only for the one's he has chosen. Not for every person that ever lived or will live

Irresistible Grace- God's saving work in someone cannot be resisted but that such grace will result in salvation

Perseverance of the Sains- (also known as Eternal Security) Those who are born again can never lose their salvation

2006-11-11 17:58:09 · 2 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Not unbiblical, just unpopular to the "world"...

Total Depravity : does not mean that everybody is an ax murderer..it means ALL are guilty of some sin
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

(Rom 3:19) Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
(Rom 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

UNCONDITIONAL Election...means you can't earn your way to heaven...goes hand in hand with total depravity..
(Joh 1:11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
(Joh 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
(Joh 1:13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
(Eph 1:5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
(Eph 1:6) To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.


Limited Atonement:
(1Co 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
(1Co 8:7) Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

(Joh 10:26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
(Joh 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
(Joh 10:28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(Joh 10:29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
(Joh 10:30) I and my Father are one.

Irresistable Grace:

(Gal 1:10) For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
(Gal 1:11) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
(Gal 1:12) For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
(Gal 1:13) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
(Gal 1:14) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
(Gal 1:15) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
(Gal 1:16) To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Perseverance of the Saint's.. merely echoes the above (total depravity & uncond. election)..we are Christian's not by any great or good thing we do; but, by the will of God...who can stand against the Almighty God???

(Joh 10:29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

(Heb 10:10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(Heb 10:11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
(Heb 10:12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(Heb 10:13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
(Heb 10:14) For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
(Heb 10:15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 10:17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(Heb 10:18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
(Heb 10:19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
(Heb 10:20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
(Heb 10:21) And having a high priest over the house of God;
(Heb 10:22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Do calvanist or other protestants actually believe this?
I do.

2006-11-11 18:46:12 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

You of course have stated the TULIP doctrine of John Calvin. Most evangelical groups like the Baptists who strongly believe and teach "eternal security" of believers fail to realize that their belief is based on the other points of this theory that few of them have been taught. They would balk at Limited Atonement if they were aware of that part of Calvinism.

2006-11-12 02:34:46 · answer #2 · answered by the_buccaru 5 · 0 0

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