Shall we knock out the hypcrisy of christmas and celebrate it for what it really is?

Question

Christ was born when the sheperds were still living out in the field during warmer months and not in December.
Dec 25th was a pagan celebration time.
The Star of Bethlehem was created by Satan to lure astrologers sent by King Herod to report to him Jesus's whereabouts so Herod could have him killed not the school nativity play version of the wise men being there to honour Jesus.
Jesus was not a baby in a crib as traditionally told at that time but a toddler as Herod had children 2 years and under executed in an attempt to kill Jesus not just newborns.
Christmas is just commericalism and giving of presents is more of a social occasion rather than a religious time.
Jesus only asked his rememberance to be observed before he was put to death and not when he was born.
Christmas put pressure on people to go into debt and to entertain when they have little money to afford to do so and the revelry is not something that God would ask of people.

Make the occasion a secular winterval and then it doesn't drag Jesus's name in to the extravagent indulgencies and it will keep christianity away from the distasteful spectacle christmas has fallen into.

I chose not to celebrate christmas for these reasons and I can make a day of my own without defilement.

Mortgagegirl:
" Why worry about what a Christian believes if you are not one. Yes it was pagan in origin but it still is used to celebrate the birth of Christ, which incidentally really probably took place in September. So since that is why we celebrate it, what difference does it make what day we attach to it since we really do not have a specific one given."

Didn't God say quit touching the unclean thing and get out of her. He was talking about mixing with false worship.
Christmas is false worship celebrations and Christ merged together.
Not all christians celebrate christmas.

Call christmas Winterval or even Winterfest you can still have your yule logs, tinsel and christmas tree and giving and recieving presents with traditional old movies on TV but without the hypocrisy of it being a true christian time because humans invented christmas so is a tradition not a biblical requirement.

By Ollie: "Forget religion my joy is seeing kids face light up when they see there presents.Luv it"

Probably one of the most honest replies made about a celebrater of christmas. It is not the religion that attracts people.

Answer 1

It is nothing to do with either Christianity or Islam but it does have it's origins in the midwinter festival and many other basically pagan rites but since much of it is a celebration of nature rather than religion everyone should be able to enjoy it and be happy together despite religion!! The ancient European pagans celebrated the midwinter festival and a number of other festivals long before Christianity ever existed! Babylonians celebrated the feast of the Son of Isis with gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift giving and the goddess of fertility, love, and war. The Romans held a festival on 25 December called “Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, celebrating their own god Sol Invictas - PAGAN. The Persian god Mithras, the Syrian sun god Elah Gabal, the German Sol, the Greek Helios and the Mesopotamian Shamash. But also Saturnalia, honouring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. The law courts and schools were closed. No public business could be transacted an this is where the holidays originated - ALL PAGAN!!! Wax tapers were given by the more humble to their superiors. The origin of the Christmas candle - PAGAN!! In Rome groups of costumed went from house to house entertaining their people. And this was where the carolling Christmas tradition originated PAGAN!! Statues of the Mother and lover or Mother and son were paraded through the streets not only in Italy but also in Africa, Spain, Portugal, France, Germany and Bulgaria. Thus, the symbolism of the Heavenly Virgin and the infant child paraded on a yearly basis are not of Christian origin. They stem from the Mother-goddess religion, which is very ancient ENTIRELY PAGAN!!. Scandinavian countries celebrated Yule honouring Thor - PAGAN. In Germania (not Germany) they celebrated midwinter night followed by 12 wild nights of eating and drinking. The 12 days of Christmas PAGAN!! The church under Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25 in 350 AD in order to try to hijack the PAGAN festivals but it was largely ignored. Christians did not really celebrate Christmas until 378 but it was then dropped in 381 and not resurrected until 400. The Christmas tree stems from pagan tradition and ritual surrounding the Winter Solstice, which included the use of holly boughs ivy and other foliage as an adaptation of pagan tree worship. Holly and ivy represented male and female. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual - all PAGAN!! Santa Claus came from the Dutch “Sinterklaas” and was a tall figure riding a white horse through the air and usually accompanied by Black Peter, an elf who punished disobedient children. Also the origin of the reindeer, sleigh and the elves ALL PAGAN!! The modern red coated Santa was brought about by coca cola!! America actually banned Christmas several times and is the originator of the expression “Happy Holidays” which came about because of the pagan origins of Christmas to include all religions and traditions!! The Venerable Bede, an early Christian writer pointed out that the Christian church absorbed Pagan practices when it found the population unwilling to give up the festivals. Thus a lot of what Christians now see as Christians practices are in fact pagan!!! Christmas is the time of year christians strive to prove just how pagan they have become!!!

Answer 2

Christmas, what on earth has it to do with Christianity?

Satan was invented by the Jews during the Babylonian exile. I have no idea where you get the silly idea he likes to play with stars from? By the way, the three wise men took place in January, months after his birth.

So the church wanted to hijack the party, so stuck the name of Christmas' onto it. the party is older than the church and your religious ideas. It requires the village to put a virgin, a symbol of fertility, and to celebrate her with song and booze, to re-assure the old man of the woods, that the village had not eaten all the seeds, and life would return in spring again, when Eoster, the goddess of fertility would re-birth the countryside.

hey the Christians hijacked that party too.

If you don't like the party, then don't come - your only invited because us poor old pagans feel sorry for you.

Answer 3

Do spys for Herod bring gifts and worship Jesus? Was Jesus in a crib or a manger as a baby? I think you need to reread the narrative of the virgin birth because you have your facts are way off.

God didnt say we should celebrate our own birthdays but to us that is an important day is it not? Christmas is a great time to remember and celebrate the birth of Jesus. Yes it is also a good time for charity and gifts which is a VERY Christian thing to do. Theres no doubt about it that Christmas has become comercialized but that is to be expected but that takes nothing away from religious families observance of the holiday.

So by your logic then is church just a social club because we meet together? No. Fellowship is part of believing in God and having things in common with your fellow man and sharing with him in that and encouraging and building him up.

Answer 4

You are right. Christmas, the Christmas we know now is a commerce nightmare. For some though it is the celebration of the birth of Jesus and because of that many great things happen over the holidays. People are more giving than than they normally are and many people in need get a great deal of help during the season so i guess it is a double edge sword. There is good and bad in all situations its whether we choose to focus on the good or bad that says who we truly are as a person. Good luck to you.

Answer 5

I can agree with you that Christmas has turned very commercial. I am so sick of the shopping during the holidays. We just do presents for the kids. However why not celebrate the birth of Christ? Stop nit picking on this and that and be overjoyed that He was born, that He lived, He died and He lived again.

Answer 6

Why worry about what a Christian believes if you are not one. Yes it was pagan in origin but it still is used to celebrate the birth of Christ, which incidentally really probably took place in September. So since that is why we celebrate it, what difference does it make what day we attach to it since we really do not have a specific one given.

Answer 7

Beats me why the Christians get so upset about the whole Christmas/commercial thing. Surely without all the commercialism, religion wouldn't get half the attention it does from free-thinking people. As with all things though, they want to distance themselves from anything that is bad, and take credit for what is good. Bah humbug to religion. Happy Dec25th.

Answer 8

Christmas what a depressing time of year,if we were to celebrate anything at all why not celebrate the winter solstice,as a non believer in religeon i find the forced joviality at this time of year a bit too much to bear, the commercialism of the festive season is almost epidemic, the giving of presents to people who you do not like thats the only good bit, i give them what someone else who doesnt like me give me the year before.
i have often wondered if they do the same as we never see them,only at christgive, it matters not only that we thought of them at this ''festive '' time.
I deal with people everyday who are hopelessly in debt for incredible amounts of money ,because of the guilt in not giving the ''right christmas gift'' or wanting to give thier kids the presents thier parents had the good sense not to buy for them when they were children. its a form of institutionalised guilt, perpetuated by marketing companies, it is as far removed from any religeous ceremony as you can find ,necxt they may bring back sacrifice. LF

Answer 9

About time Christmas was re-installed as the pagan celebration of Yule, then there wont be any of this bish bosh PC rubbish as we will all be down the barn having a jolly good time on the moonshine and sloe berry gin!

Answer 10

Whilst some of what you say, such as the rampant consumerism has detracted from the religious meaning what you say about satan creating stars . . . well, you lose me when you come out with stuff you don't even give sources for. Try just getting in on the goodwill of others and leave the superstitious stuff alone over the holidays.