Black Christians, why can't you see that you've taken on your ancestor's oppressors beliefs?

Question

Black Christians, Is this proof that you're brainwashed?
Black people, before you call any Atheists fools, you need to look at the person in the mirror

Slavery in the bible

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

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Answer 1

First of all there were black people in the bible *shock*. One of the disciples is even refered to as Niger, which in Greek, yes Greek, this is not a misspelling of "the N-word", it means- "The Black Man". So, blacks even followed at the footsteps of Jesus when he was living. In the New Testament era, slavery was not an all bad thing. Slaves were required by law to be released at age 33, they were paid for their work and recieved the lump-sum at their release, and after they were release they became Roman citizens. It actually was a pretty good deal, assuming your "owner" treated you well, and most did from all of the accounts we have. Most slaves once released used the skills they learned and the money they made to go open their own business. Oh, and most Roman slaves were white. Also, there is a Ethiopian eunich mentioned in the New Testament, most likely he was black, and he became a Christian as well. So, Christianity and black Christians far outdates the White to black slavery you are refering to.

Answer 2

Techincally I can't answer this question I only meet have the criteria...

It is the old testament law, which has been covered by Grace.

I believe the new testament doesn't uphold the notion of injuring someone to the point they die a few days later as we are to love our neighbor as our self and in that passage their is no classification of slave, free, greek or jew.

I also believe having thought about that a little further that God was extending Grace to those who got so mad they beat somebody but restrained from killing them - its not a good thing that anyone at all ever be beaten ever, that is the only thing that I can. As I can prove with
Exodus 21:12-14
"Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.
Also Exodus 21:18-19 are about the same thing

It is not just about slaves it is about the treatment of people in general

Jesus new law, Luke 10: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and Love your neighbour as yourself.

Also the bible says to abide by the laws of the land, and the behaviour you have described is not acceptable by the law of the land.

Answer 3

nicely i assume that is time for a heritage pay interest. Black people have had slaves. Black people bought different black people into slavery. There have also been white slaves. there have been asian slaves. Black people were slaves AND BLACK people HAVE OWNED SLAVES. White people have owned slaves AND WHITE people were SLAVES. So why do you ignore ALL this that you'll easily hate white individuals and discuss us like we are evil people or something? SECONDLY, no matter in the journey that your masters were Christians, it really isn't any reason now to not count number on God your self. i desire you may experience more effective and give up hating all us evil white honkies. get over your self. You were utilizing different blacks as slaves lengthy formerly we got here visiting, and then after we confirmed up, you bought your black slaves to us. and likewise!!!!!!!! You forget that the North replaced into WHITE also! those were WHITE people battling and death to loose the blacks. and also you wanna communicate like quite a few white people were undesirable and slave vendors? try to be ashamed. flow study a e book. oh and yet another ingredient you may not understand . .Abe Lincoln replaced right into a REPUBLICAN!!! The party you by no potential vote for!!!!

Answer 4

God permitted slavery to exist in both Old and New Testament times. But this does not mean that slavery was a God-ordained system. Slavery was an invention of fallen man, not of God. Nevertheless, God allowed it to exist the way He allows other things to exist that He does not approve of: murder, lying, rape, theft, etc.
God also works within the system of fallen man and makes allowances for the freedom and failures of mankind within that system. We see this, for example, in Jesus saying that God allowed divorce because of the hardness of peoples' hearts (Matt. 19:8). The fact is, people are sinners and do things contrary to the will of God. But, even though people have murdered, lied, raped, and stolen, God has still used people who've committed these sins to accomplish His divine will. Moses murdered an Egyptian but was used by God to deliver Israel. David committed adultery but was promised to have the Messiah descend from his seed. This is proof that though God desires that people not do much of what they do, He permits them their freedom, yet uses the system and the people according to His divine will.
In the case of a slave being property, that is simply the way things were done back then. As I said, God worked within the fallen system of man and put limits and guidelines concerning the treatment of slaves.

Answer 5

My ancestors were raped, pillaged and "converted" by Spanish crusaders.

And I STILL believe that Christ was the Son of God, it's called forgiveness and grace.

BTW. Just because, our first president, George Washington, had a slaves should I refuse to pay taxes?

No, because I know that if I didn't pay taxes it would probably mean jail time.... or hell?

Answer 6

Ephesians 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same thing unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your master also is in Heaven; neither is their respect of persons with him.

Answer 7

I'm an agnostic, but Charlie, you've gotta work with me here.
I find it absolutely ridiculous when individuals who disagree with the Bible do it on the grounds of context; particularly context so adulterated as this. ANYONE can find flaw in ANY sacred scripture if they take it out of context - look at what ignorance in translation and contextualization has done to Muslims and the Koran..."evil evil evil killers of the West" - what a pity ignorant Americans don't do their homework and I don't know, read the whole damn thing and bother to translate it from its original Arab or Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic, or whatever the case may be, instead of taking out whichever verse pleases their case. But yeah, that takes time and like, doing your homework.

Slavery was a most common and understood practice at this point in history...whether we're talking 3000BC back there with the Exodus excerpt, or 70AD with Pauls Ephesians. Everyone, everyone, everyone had slaves.
Do NOT get me wrong - I am by no means excusing this inhumane practice, I'm emphasizing the fact that it wasn't thought of in the same way as it is today.

First of all, as you should well know considering your zeal in attacking the issue, Paul was writing to the Ephesians, those from Ephesus - modern day Turkey, when he wrote this letter.
It isn't about black and white, or the "beliefs of your oppressors" - those who lived in the land that is now Turkey were medium skinned, and still are to this day.
Jesus himself was a freakin' Jew - medium skinned as well.

Additionally, do some research on the history of slavery. Please. Because absolutely everyone on the planet at this time was going into foreign lands and taking individuals back to their native land to serve in their homes and farms. It wasn't just white people doing it to the blacks....Blacks from northern Africa went to the dalmation coast, to Italy, to Spain, to Gaul, and took back with them light skinned slaves to serve in their homes. Africans did it to Whites, Whites did it to Africans, Arabs did it to Mediterraneans, Mediterraneans did it to Whites, Arabs did it to Africans, etc etc for as many possible variations.
It was not "right", but you are claiming a falsehood when you state that Christianity is the religion of Blacks oppressors, as though A) Those historical proponents of Christianity from the Bible were "white" - which they weren't, and B) as though Africans never took on slaves. At this point in history, it was just what was done.

Now if it's an issue of slavery during the 19th century in the United States, that is a completely seperate issue and obviously, Whites were aggregiously at fault especially when they too, took scripture out of context to defend their evil actions against their Black slaves. It's all about context, and doing your homework.

Time has passed since the writing of the Bible, and there are certain issues from the Bible that even the staunchest Christian will admit that were specifically for the people being spoken to at a particular time. ie: piercing of the ears, braiding of the hair, etc. These actions were called sinful in the time of Moses because God didn't want the Israelites acting as the pagans and dressing as they did. Now, times have changes and these laws no longer apply.

The Bible is meant to be read, as Jesus himself said to his accusing pharisees "In spirit, not in letter". The spirit of Jesus Christs' teachings, which is the reason and point for the entire Bible, is that of brotherhood and care for those less fortunate and neighbors. There are many things written by man and done by man in the name of God that are not of God. Do not misconstrue.

I would recommend looking into the UNESCO Projects summit dealing particularly with Slavery in the Mediterranean During the Modern Period. The International Scientific Committee for the Slave Route Project - Google it - is arguably the largest group of international Professors dedicated the history of slavery. There were no Americans at the last summit; bias is not an issue. Please, educate yourself more about the real history of slavery in Biblical times, so that your claims will have a stronger and more valid foundation.

Answer 8

everything in the bible is contradictory. too many things that don't make sense......right? yet they fail to admit that these things are printed here. one thing I have noticed is that, they always find a contradictory verse to the one being presented. well, I guess you proved 2 things. the bible condoned slavery and the bible has contradictory verses. they've got you coming and going.

Answer 9

Do you still need some clarification on them being brainwashed? They have been...their brains have been washed CLEAN from all nasties.