Several people asked will Dems give amnesty - do you want to see what the NY Times thinks?

Question

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/us/politics/10immig.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1163133799-ubhs0aXpi46BtZg80LpXKA

The bottom line is 'who knows?' with reasons.

What do you think? Have enough Dems run on 'get tough on immigration' platforms that they are practically not Dems on that subject?

Dos, they are ruining my kids' schools. Not intentionally, just by being there. All the same, the schools are ruined. Funds to cover our own children are being stretched to cover children of illegals as well, and they are more expensive to educate. Thank you for your concern.

ciber - I never used the word 'Mexican'. I live in Los Angeles and here they are mostly Mexican but in some neighborhoods it is other ethnicities. I literally mean 'illegals' not any particular sort. Although the ones that don't know English going into school are the biggest educational problem and that is simply a fact.

gokart, I agree that in a way the Dems would be harder on illegal immigration - more willing to put employer/employee databases in place and punish employers, more willing to enforce the border for two. However, I think gridlock at the capital will make it hard to do that. I hope I'm wrong.

Answer 1

I think the mistake lies in assigning Democrats a fixed value on the issue...leaves em no leeway to develop better answers if there's bias right off the bat...truly, dems have the potential to be 20 times harsher on illegal immigration than the republicans were, because they're slightly more likely to actively start seeking information and answers FROM the public at large, and develop some solutions based on their findings. The GOP's been a little too busy serving the narrow interests of their corporate pals, and ignoring that 'law' stuff, at least in recent times, I hope whoever claims to be representing 'the american public' in the future actually goes out and talks to some people...and more importantly, listens...

Illegal immigration is a big problem, it's a crime to begin with,
we have borders, they need to be effectively enforced, countries that have a long-standing history of tolerating/promoting violation of our immigration laws, such as Mexico, need to be brought to the table to figure out how they're going to be good partners with us on the issue, or face sanction. As the man said 'we are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws'. Those laws need to be upheld, respected, and if need be, then enforced. Our economy doesn't rely on illegal immigration to survive. Most people can, in fact, carry out their own damn garbage, cook their own meals, even clean their own toilets.

The countries with the economic problems that are producing populations that their economies can't support need to sit down, and look at the WHY behind it all, and develop better answers.
'Move to the United States' shouldn't be the default solution to other countries' failure to plan...6.5 billion people in the world, HOW many 'neighbors' did you want? LOL

Answer 2

i'm somewhat left of "Democrat", yet i'm liberal, so i think i'm qualified to respond to. I thoroughly disagree with Bush's help of this invoice, and any liberal or Democrat with a million/2 a recommendations ought to too. The illegals are being presented with a danger amnesty for ONE reason---by using fact huge business enterprise needs them right here as a sort of everlasting underpaid working type. It would not take a rocket scientist to comprehend this bodes sick for the yank paintings rigidity, which includes prepared hard paintings. the corporate whores who run this u . s . attempt to tear down each and every little thing that the unions have finished for the yank worker, no count in case you extremely belong to a union or no longer. And that is composed of giving illegals get right of entry to to jobs that people supposedly "won't do". nicely, pay people a first rate salary; and we are going to do something.

Answer 3

it's too early to tell what will happen. Dems will not have the final word on anything, as long as Bush is in office. Several conservative Dems have been elected this time, also.

It's just a wait and see thing. No second-guessing on anything. This is an entirely new group of people.

Answer 4

There's got to be a way to work things out about the illegal situation, and the Democrats will work hard to find it. I don't believe illegals will be granted citizenship in less than two years, so, be at ease. And again, not all mexicans are illegals, and not all illegals are mexican.

Answer 5

I feel as though most dems are clear to the fact that amnesty is not the way to go. Most feel as though a tough approach needs to be taken. I think we'll figure it out. We need to!

Answer 6

Read it twice to be sure I got a clear idea. Clearly there are those who think Congress will slam dunk this, but clearly they also think that the states have found a way to stop illegals. It is clearly a fuzzy prediction.

Again, I will post this Initiative, which you may feel free to use. This particular one empowers law enforcement agencies.


We must insist that our leaders, both locally and nationally, address the issue of the security of our nation.

Might I suggest that on a local (town) or county or state level one might submit an initiative for the people to vote on. It requires a number of signatures to be placed on a ballot. Special elections for such are acceptable. This is a personal creation and you are free to use the dialogue. Of course, change the wording to be applicable to your situation.

My thanks.

Every state should pass laws preserving the American sovereignty, and giving state law enforcement officials the power to enforce federal laws. This to mean arresting, containing and deporting illegals.

For example:

An Initiative By the Citizens of the State of ------

Whereas the security of the citizens of the State of ------ is the responsibility of the law enforcement agencies of the State;

Whereas the law enforcement agencies of the State are not enabled to enforce certain laws of the United States;

Whereas the citizens of the State of ------- will benefit if State and local law enforcement agencies are authorized to enforce certain laws of the United States;

It is in the best interests of the citizens of the State of ------ to authorize the law enforcement agencies of the State of ------ to enforce certain laws of the United States.

The local and State law enforcement agencies of the State of ------ are hereby authorized to enforce criminal laws of the United States, except in such areas that the United States has expressly reserved enforcement of such laws to the United States and its agencies.

The prosecutors of the local and State entities are authorized to prosecute persons accused of violation of the laws of the United States, which have been apprehended by State or local law enforcement agencies.

The courts of the State of ------ are authorized to adjudicate cases brought by prosecutors of the local and State entities subject to the jurisdictional requirements of Section *.

State and local agencies are authorized to seek reimbursement from the United States for enforcement efforts.

Answer 7

The Dems will only accomplish what the Reps let them accomplish.

Answer 8

i think they will give amnesty, because they need all the votes this coming presidential elections to win.

Answer 9

DAR , please get a life. What has an illegal alien personally taken from you.?