When did God become the Father of Jesus?

Question

The Trinitarianism claims that the "Son of God" had no beginning but here is a biblical question, When did God become the Father of Jesus? Here it is written, The Father says, "Today I have begotten you." Psalm 2:7

The vast majority of Trinitarian scholars would never advance this passage as any evidence for the Trinity that the "Son of God" was "eternally begotten."

Can Trinitarian scholars can find in the Bible that supports the idea that the "Son of God" was begotten eternally? Search in vain, Those things aren’t there.

Maybe these Satan's counterfeit Jesus, "God the Son" is begotten eternally but not the biblical "Son of God."

Why does satan offer alternatives to the Bible? Satan's counterfeit Jesus, "God the Son" is the same biblical as the "Son of God."


The teaching that Jesus Christ is God was made by the philosophies of men of the Catholic and Orthodox in Council of Nicaea, years after the Lord Jesus Christ had ascended to heaven and after the death of the apostles.

The Trinity doctrine did not develop until four centuries after Christ.

Funnana,

In this verse when God said, “Let Us make man in Our image” Genesis 1:26.

These False Prophets and False Apostles says that the three Persons are communicating.

The truth is, This cannot be verified because there are "Unlimitled" definitions of God because God is not just three, God is "innumerable."

Doug,

Here according to Hebrews 1:1, 2, God in the Old Testament days spoke to the fathers by the prophets, but in the New Testament days God has spoken to us by His Son Jesus.

It is written, “All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made which was made.” John 1:3

It is written, "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." John 1:14 KJV

God's plan is, the Word was make a human.

Jesus Christ is a man who told the truth which he heard from God. In other words, The Son of God was a messenger of God.

It is written, All things have been committed to Jesus by His Father and because of this, "The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son," John 5:22

Satan's counterfeit Jesus, "God the Son" is the same biblical as the "Begotten Son of God."

i mean, Not the same.

Doug,

Show me in scripture that tell us that Jesus Christian was eternally begotten?

" Jesus christ"

Answer 1

Many Christians begin to learn about the Trinity through knowledge of Baptism. This is also a starting point for others in comprehending why the doctrine matters to so many Christians, even though the doctrine itself teaches that the being of God is beyond complete comprehension. The Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed are structured around profession of the Trinity, and are solemnly professed by converts to Christianity when they receive baptism, and in the Church's liturgy, particularly when celebrating the Eucharist. One or both of these creeds are often used as brief summations of Christian faith by mainstream denominations.

One God
God is one, and the Godhead a single being: The Hebrew Scriptures lift this one article of faith above others, and surround it with stern warnings against departure from this central issue of faith, and of faithfulness to the covenant God had made with them. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4) (the Shema), "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Deuteronomy 5:7) and, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6). Any formulation of an article of faith which does not insist that God is solitary, that divides worship between God and any other, or that imagines God coming into existence rather than being God eternally, is not capable of directing people toward the knowledge of God, according to the trinitarian understanding of the Old Testament. The same insistence is found in the New Testament: "...there is none other God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). The "other gods" warned against are therefore not gods at all, but substitutes for God, and so are, according to St. Paul, simply mythological or are demons.

So, in the trinitarian view, the common conception which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings, is incorrect. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, manifest in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is still the same as the God of the New. In Christianity, it is understood that statements about a solitary god are intended to distinguish the Hebraic understanding from the polytheistic view, which see divine power as shared by several separate beings, beings which can, and do, disagree and have conflicts with each other. The concept of Many comprising One is quite visible in the Gospel of John, chapter 17, verses 20 through 23.

God exists in three persons

The "Shield of the Trinity" or "Scutum Fidei" diagram of traditional Western Christian symbolism.This one God however exists in three persons, or in the Greek hypostases. God has but a single divine nature. Chalcedonians — Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants — hold that, in addition, the Second Person of the Trinity — God the Son, Jesus — assumed human nature, so that he has two natures (and hence two wills), and is really and fully both true God and true human.


The singleness of God's being and the multiplicity of the Divine Persons together account for the nature of Christian salvation, and disclose the gift of eternal life. "Through the Son we have access to the Father in one Spirit" (Ephesians 2:18). Communion with the Father is the goal of the Christian faith and is eternal life. It is given to humans through the Divine union with humanity in Jesus Christ who, although fully God, died for sinners "in the flesh" to accomplish their redemption, and this forgiveness, restoration, and friendship with God is made accessible through the gift to the Church of the Holy Spirit, who, being God, knows the Divine Essence intimately and leads and empowers the Christian to fulfill the will of God. Thus, this doctrine touches on every aspect of the trinitarian Christian's faith and life; and this explains why it has been so earnestly contended for, throughout Christian history.

Answer 2

Jesus always was and until He was sent to earth He wasn't begotten. God brought Him to a human life to save us.
here's a little understanding of the "trinitarian" you speak from Sciptures:
Mt 28:19 where Christ tells to go forth to all nations baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
another favorite is when a priest ends mass and quotes 2 Cor 13:14 The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Love of God and the communion/fellowship of the Holy Ghost be with yo all. 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Answer 3

The poster above me wishes to eradicate the Orthodox and Catholic faiths - faiths which have existed for over 2 Millennia, in contrast to the mere 491 years of Protestantism which has generated 41,998 denominations (roughly 86 new denominations per year, some of which ordain women and accept open homosexual marriages) and further confusion - something Satan loves. Satan loves convincing people of many things - that the Holy Gospel is corrupt (how come no one makes the same accusations about the Old Testament - I see, Satan wrote the Holy Gospels and Moses wrote the Torah).

From the Nicene Creed - which the Protestants apparently love to forget - or believe that Satan also authored while forgetting that the Nicene Creed is a rephrasing of the Apostles Creed which exists in their "sola scriptura" testament:

"I belive in One God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of his father before all ages."

The verse from Pslams is not enough to interpret the entire chapter 2 - The descendants of David were supposed to rule over the heathen but the majority of them apostasized and Israel was carried away into captivity.

Answer 4

No.

This is the type of nonsense that pops up when people look to a book for authority rather than the church which Jesus founded, and to which he gave the sole power and authority to bind and loose, both on earth and in heaven.

The teaching that Jesus was co-eternal with the father and with the holy spirit was only made official at the council.

It had been universally understood to be true ever since Pentecost, and by many, even before.

Satan is typically the one who attempts to use scripture to prove something other than what God intended.

Those who deliberately ignore the constant teaching of the church, and pursue scriptural and doctrinal innovations based on their own flawed interpretation of scripture, do the devil's work.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life: and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Is this clear, or do you still fail to comprehend it?

Answer 5

Jesus Christ, the Jehovah of the Old Testament, was the Firstborn of the Father. After him, the rest of us came as spiritual children. That is why Jesus has the prominence that he has with the Father.

Answer 6

God is, always was, and always will be. He can do all things. When we tiny humans attempt to scale God to our size, we fail abysmally. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and was always so ordained to be. God knows each one of us by name before we even stir in the womb. He knows our lives, our successes and our failures. And He knows when He will call us to Him. Christ was not so much born of Mary than He was brought to us by God. God sent us Christ via a woman so we could understand His arrival. The rest is the saving of the world...

Answer 7

Jesus can be "eternally begotten" because, as St. Augustine points out, God's day is itself everlasting and eternal.

He writes, in Book Eleven of "Confessions":


'Nor do you precede any given period of time by another period of time, or you would not precede all periods of time. In the eminence of your ever-present eternity, you precede all times past, and extend beyond all future times, for they are still to come--and when they have come, they will be past. But "you are always the same and your years shall have no end." Your years neither go nor come; but ours both go and come in order that all separate moments may come to pass. All your years stand together as one, since they are abiding. Nor do your years past exclude the years to come because your years do not pass away. All these years of ours shall be with you, when all of them have ceased to be. Your years are but a day, and your day is not recurrent, but always today. Your "today" does not yield to tomorrow and does not follow yesterday. Your "today" is eternity. '

Answer 8

Jesus had a beginning

He is the first creation of God. After that, he was instrumental in creating all other things.

Answer 9

Jesus was the first-born of God the father in the spirit world - Lucifer was the second - in fact, God called Lucifer the son of the morning. It wasn't until Lucifer rebelled against God that he cast down.

Answer 10

check in the beginning of John. It says that He was with God in the beginning.