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if so, that means some gay people go to heaven right? then why are you christians so against them if there are gays in heaven already? you guys love a 'born again' murderer but think gays are the anti-christ scum of the earth. im also surprised the vatican city doesnt preach more acceptance, Lord knows they would mind a few million more people chipping in 10%. So whats the real deal?

2006-11-08 19:49:03 · 27 answers · asked by Jbyrd 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Once saved, always saved has nothing to do with not repenting. It is the belief of some Christians that Jesus will keep us from falling into so much sin that we fall away from grace and lose salvation. I don't see this really taught, but some believe it.

Jesus said to the adulterus woman "I do not condemn you either. Go and sin no more." The point is that once we accept him as saviour, we are to conform our lives to his image by his Spirit. We must turn from sin, not continue in it. We are not given a liscense to sin just because we are saved. The Bible says in several place that homosexuality is sin and no homosexual will enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Here are some references in the Bible about homosexuality.

'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev%2018:22;&version=31;

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:13;&version=31;

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
(Romans 1:26-27)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:26-27;&version=31;

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city
of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot,
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so
that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:4-5)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:4-5;&version=31;

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves
nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10;&version=31;

knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for
the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for
the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for
kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing
that is contrary to sound doctrine, (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:9-10%20;&version=50;

2006-11-08 19:56:40 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

You like to state your question in a slick & cunning way, Now to answer your question, There is no gays in heaven, You try to bring up accepting Jesus, or even believeing in Jesus, Satan himself beleives in Jesus, that does not put him in heaven, Now you talk about Born Again Murderers, Yes there is some Born again Murderers, But they are not going back out in the Streets to kill again, Any sin is forgiveable, Except sinning against the holy Ghost, That Murderer will not go out & commit Murder again, his life has been changed, Now onto your slick question concerning gays, there is Not one gay or lesbian person in heaven, If they are such when they die, they are in hell, Yes it is true a gay or lesbian Can Repent, & repent means to ask God to forgive you through his Son Jesus Christ, & to turn away from all your sins which also includes gay & lesbain lifestyle, Why do you think God destroy Sodom & Gommorah, & to anyone that accept that lifestyle, then they are just as guilty.

2006-11-08 21:52:15 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Hi, thank you for your honest, truthful question.

No true Christian hates gays. We don't see gays any worse than we see a murderer.

Yes, we love a born again murderer, but when he comes to Christ he stops murdering, and is no longer a murderer. We don't expect him to keep murdering, but he's "on the way to Heaven". That doesn't make sense.

We also love born again gays. When they come to Christ, they stop being gay, because they find peace with Christ.

The Bible teaches that all those who die knowing Christ are not in Heaven already, they are sleeping in the grave, awaiting the resurrection, when, as it says in 1 thessalonians 4:16,17, Christ will call them from death to eternal life.

People don't go to Heaven "no matter what", if you accept the Bible as the word of God. Jesus says many will be lost. Even though He wanted to save them, they resisted His help, and His earnest work to save them, so there is nothing left for Him to do. People will miss out on Heaven because they rejected God. They didn't repent of their sins.

Whatever sin it is. Pride, selfishness, anger, hatred, murder, sexual misconduct (the Bible teaches that sex was given by God as a gift for the husband and wife, and not outside that relationship), covetousness, etc. All sin separates us from God. Isaiah 59:1,2

Jesus saves us when we come to Him, confessing and turning away from our sin. Then He promises to live in us, giving us victory over our desires that are against Him (1 John 3:9; 1 Peter 1:23)

If you get a hold of the book "That Kind Can Never Change, Can They?" You will see what happened to one gay man when He came in contact with Jesus. He is now happily married to a Christian woman.

God is faithful, and He loves all mankind, and is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2006-11-08 20:10:52 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

There is a split in the camp about once saved always saved. I and many Christians (I'm penecostal) believe that you can lose your salvation. There are more than 20 verses in the bible that state this. I'm still studying the subject so there may be more.

On the subject of homos. There is a group known as exodus. It is an international group of ex homosexuals that have repented and given up homosexuality by the power of God. As for your remark concerning 'born again' murderers. If that person keeps on murdering he is not going to get to heaven. Bye.

2006-11-08 20:05:11 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Wow, you're way off. Yes, if a person accepts Jesus as their savior, they will go to heaven...IF they "go and sin no more." In other words, a homosexual can be a Christian, so long as they don't continue having sex with people of the same sex.
I don't think homosexuals are the scum of the earth, and even though I think a murderer can still go to heaven if they're forgiven, it isn't up to me to judge them. But I would not trust a person if they told me they were once a murderer and became a Christian. I just don't think I could do that.
But I COULD trust a former homosexual who became a Christian.

2006-11-08 19:57:04 · answer #5 · answered by The_Cricket: Thinking Pink! 7 · 0 1

Before anything, you should know the catholic church is not Christian. They have invented rules that are found nowhere in the bible. Like confessing your sins to another man, eating a cracker that they claim is God literaly and they've killed many for disagreeing with their beliefs.

On to the question...for someone to be saved (even a gay person) you have to not only accept and believe in Jesus dying for your sins but you also have to repent of them. Repenting means you are sorry and would not do it again. A murderer saying he has repented and let's say he indeed doesn't kill anyone else. That would not make him automatically righteous unless he lives a sinless life. Salvation is a daily commitment to rejection of all sin. You CAN lose your salvation despite having gone through the above process. Despite the opinion of society..the bible clearly states that God will forgive all sins (except one which I will not mention for fear you may commit it) provided you repent.

I'm sorry to say that murderers, gays, sorcerers, liars, etc. are going to hell and ultimately the lake of fire.

2006-11-08 20:16:39 · answer #6 · answered by Big Milt 2 · 1 0

Accepting Jesus means we show our full trust on Jesus(pbuh), but if we just claim that we accept Jesus, but we do not follow his teachings and keep changing and manipulating his original preaching, does not gaurenti, that we will go to heavens. Because doing like this actually is insulting Jesus, and that is sin.
We should not just claim that we accept Jesus and in fact practicing satanic teachings, instead. This kind of behavior is not acceptable to God Almighty.
If we accept and respect Jesus(pbuh), then we should follow his true teachings and preaching, than we would be able to expect heavens for us, other wise NO.

2006-11-08 20:11:01 · answer #7 · answered by Slave 3 · 1 0

Anybody, regardless of gay or murderer, as lons as they accept Jesus as a Saviour will go to heaven. pls don't take it lightly as it seems. it is a truly repented soul that all Jesus ask from you. have you ever been repented from doing some things wrong? it hurts you more then ten times killing you on the spot and suffering is long enough. you will hardly believe it.

2006-11-08 19:58:40 · answer #8 · answered by naw m 3 · 0 0

Doing good deeds and holding God's commandments are rather important fairly than purely accepting Christ as your very own savior..Believing must be paired with movements. those 2 ought to bypass hand in hand. For the bible says even the devil believes and shivers earlier God.the ten commandments have been there for the early people of God. of direction maximum of its provisions have been nevertheless in stress as we talk yet no longer the Sabbath remark. That grew to become into in the time of their dispensation. we are actually residing interior the Christian era. via the way, considering you're a Mormon why do you nevertheless hire the e book of Mormons while we've already got the Bible? Is the Bible no longer adequate for us to have confidence and fulfill for our salvation? you apart from could have confidence into baptism via proxy. is that this biblical?

2016-10-03 10:56:25 · answer #9 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Well first of all
When you get saved it doesn't mean you can go and kill someone and then say you hate God and still be saved!! no it don't go like that
2. God made man for woman not man for man or woman for woman he says in the bible that gays/lesbians are an abomanation to the world meaning they are a a disqust to him.
3.when you get saved it doesn't matter what you've done you could have rapped a child,killed a dog,lied,murdered millions of people but once you ask Jesus into your heart and become saved you leave your old life behind.
You don't say oh im gonna go kill someone because anywayz im saved and im going to heaven anyways no matter what i do.
and 4. what do you mean you people? are you christian?

2006-11-08 20:37:30 · answer #10 · answered by Faithy 1 · 1 1

No, it is not accepting Jesus as your savioour that means you will go to heaven. That is not taught anywhere in the Bible. What is taught in Romams 10:9, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." It is your confession of Christ as "Lord" that saves you, and that means that you will obey Him. These verses clearly state that your belief will result in righteousness, which means the gay thing goes. If you don't accept His lordship and submit to His commandments than don't expect His salvation.

2006-11-08 20:03:08 · answer #11 · answered by oldguy63 7 · 1 0

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