What are you thoughts on the election? And how will this new Congress and Senate affect immigration?

Question

" In a speech at the US Chamber of Commerce, Bush said that the final immigration reform bill should include a temporary worker program and provide steps for illegal immigrants to obtain eventual citizenship."

Bush also stated "The middle ground recognizes there are differences between an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently, and someone who has worked here for many years who's got a home, a family, and a clean record. My position is clear: I believe that illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and who want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, to pay their taxes, to learn English, and to work in a job for a number of years. People who meet these conditions should be eventually permitted to apply for citizenship like other foreign workers."

Since the new Congress and possibly Senate, will have a Democrat majority, what do you think will happen with immigration? Your thoughts?

Answer 1

well first at all i am happy that the American just brought the repugs down from their cloud where everything is extreme and everything requires extreme measures . i believe that even when they ( the repugs ) might had been able to convince some that there is an invasion going on abusing of their ignorance and fears and also of the racism of some the majority of Americans do not want that kind of negative attitudes towards any group of people . i am pleased to know that America is about to change from intolerance to a more polite way of dealing wit every situation .

the migratory reform is not a simple issue but then again the dems do have a plan while the repugs could not even come together to deal with not only that but with more of one problem , the destruction of new Orleans for example and to make sure osama was the first priority on the war on terror and so on .

i do agree with gocart in something Mexico has a huge problem at its hands which is the drug cartels but then again this problem was not created only by Mexico by itself , America must recognize that it is a huge part of the problem and that just by being able to stop the drug traffic and weapons traffic in its own lands a huge number of jobs which are being currently oppressed by pure and crude violence would be created in Mexico , leading to less people wanting to immigrate .

a reform can only be positive and can only bring stability between both Mexico and USA and i happily know that the NEW HOUSE and SENATE will be more comprehensible and less judgmental when it comes to people who are just like any other normal person but were not able to find an opportunity in it owns lands just like many immigrants before them , immigrants who are America today .

Answer 2

I don't think the Democrats having the majority will have any immediate effect on any one.Any change will not happen right away.I do think there will be some changes in the way the government approaches the illegal aliens problem.Maybe by at least recognizing that a problem does exists and addressing it as a problem.Any one with one once of intelligence must see the error in having millions of illegal aliens running around the country ,unchecked and unaccounted for.It causes a great deal of problems to city's and states with a high percentage of illegals.Your plan for amnesty may be a workable one,but by the same token some people will and must be deported.All illegals are not good people,just like all legal Americans aren't good people.ANY blanket amnesty program would be met with total resistance from most people that know the real problems with such a plan.
It would only increase the flow of more illegals just like it did with the last amnesty.My state of Arizona expressed its wishes strongly by passing quite a few anti illegal propositions ,one being the making of English the official language of the state.and the denying of benefits to illegals..
Tell me how is the white legal American supposed to feel about the statements made by the founder of La Raza?
How about the remarks made by the person from the Brown Berets? I'm just interested how do you feel about their agenda for this nation?I am not afraid of radical talk but there are people that are.How do the illegals erase the picture of the flag desecration from legal Americans minds?
Just thoughts running in my mind.I am not in the least disheartened or disappointed in the election results.This nation needed a change.Lets hope its a change for the better for all of us.

Answer 3

I believe that the Democrats have more experience soliciting and advocating the views of the majority of americans, the republicans tend to cater to their big business backers, (yes, big business also tries to influence democrats, but I think they tend to be slightly more immune to it), and in the process, disregard the voice of the majority. 'King' George and his merry men were going to try to even turn a deaf ear to their own republican party members on the issue, until finally the issue was placed inescapably in front of him in the form of a bill to be signed to build the US/Mexico fence. This bill was supported by both democrats AND republicans, I believe a full majority in both the House and the Senate.

We have to change the way that immigration is handled. We've been tolerant/wilfully ignorant on immigration at the behest of
the big corporations that benefit financially from using 'under the table' cheap labor, as well as all the 'rights groups' that seem to be more than anything advocating by proxy on behalf of Mexico.
Both Democrats and Republicans are Americans, elected representatives of the United States of America. It is my belief that the Democrats will act favorably toward the american people, while exhorting the Mexican people to work for positive change in their own country...

We can give Mexico money 'til the cows come home, let half their country move to ours, and still not fix the fundamental problem that Mexico's got to reform. Meanwhile, the drug industry, the illegal drug industry, the same people that've led a crime wave across Mexico, have capitalized handsomely on our indecision and unwillingness to deal with the border and illegal immigration. I further believe that effective legislation that proves worthy in reducing illegal immigration will also reduce the drug problem.

Reform's hard, and you have to get 'back to basics' on some things, and the majority of americans want the issue addressed and resolved. My feeling is the Democrats might be more successful in representing that view, and actually doing something about it.

Answer 4

I don't know.

On the one hand, Giffords (Dem) won in Arizona above far right Minute Man member Randy Graf (Repub), on the other hand the anti-illegal immigration measures in Arizona passed across the board with the lowest passage vote being 71%.

Granted that she can't count on frustration with Iraq carrying her to victory again in 2008, how do you think she will play immigration?

McCain is saying Republicans lost because they didn't pass his comprehensive immigration reform bill, but he has to, doesn't he? He wants the Republican nomination for President in 2008. He's given up his Senate seat, so his eggs are all in that basket. And Sensenbrenner and Hastert both won with large majorities.

Also, most Democrats signed the border fence bill, showing they realize how important this is to voters.

I hope they at least limit it so family can't come in, but the Senate bill hadn't planned to so limit it and was drawing in seasonal workers to create an ongoing unskilled influx on top of legal immigration, as well.

I hope it isn't the Senate Bill. But I can't say at this point what will happen.

You might be interested in this from the Irish point of view. At least it sounds like they'd be starting with a different bill. The Senate Bill was a cram down session with a 100+ 'management bill' at the end on the last day, for example. With everyone watching carefully, perhaps what is put together in January and beyond will make sense.
http://www.irishabroad.com/news/irishinamerica/news/ImmigrationReformHopesRise.asp

Answer 5

Look, immigrants will bounce the fence, scale the wall, burrow via tunnels, hitch a journey, stow away, lie, swim the river, marry the unpleasant, freeze or bake in a truck, placed on a cover and do anything it takes to get into this beautiful nation. Just calm down and stay up for the obviously bodily lovely youngsters they are going to sire. We will love them then.

Answer 6

The democrats will want to stay in power. That is why most who captured seats were not liberals, but moderates. They are looking to take the Presidency in 2008, and do not wish to offend the people who will make that happen.

The removal of republicans was a punitive (whether active or passive) punishment of congressional leaders who would not take a definitive stand on illegals.

Town by town, county by county, state by state, initiatives...laws....ordinances....statutes will appear which will serve to protect American interest and reduce benefits received by illegals. Look at the three initiatives voted on by Arizona. It's thumbs down on illegals.

Answer 7

Truthfully i dont know but the question is what do the majority of the people want to happen? Democrats by no means wants complete amnesty for the Illegal aliens there are many who do not, but Republicans want big busioneses to stay rich and cheaper labor is a way of doing that. I think with a break down in power and more people fighting against what the Repub. want it will be hard to currently decipher what will happen. I say you will have to wait and see because now only time will tell. But you better be aware of whats going on in your state cause things are changing.

Answer 8

I wonder why this govt can't enforce a secure border like other countries, including Mexico. Terrorists don 't have to worry about the tedious shakedown at airports we now have to go through, they can just walk into the US to undermine our democracy. Also, a good source says (our buddies) in Venezuela are strolling in and who knows who else. Why is US govt sleeping on this issue? They need to reject pressure from drug lords, cheap labor seekers and put our country's Natl Security First or they will be responsible for our collapse.

Answer 9

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the pulic treasury."

"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years."

"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Gore : 19; Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million; Bush : 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush : 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty-million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say good-bye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Answer 10

Out with the ******* from india and china.