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2006-11-08
01:22:07
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just like Priests were given authority in verse 5, they were not made to follow it, they were the exceptions.
Jesus further stated in verse 3 and 4, how David was allowed to eat without committing sin. In both examples Jesus indicates that the authority is given to people from God. Therefore Jesus is lord of Sabbath, meaning he does not have to follow it, since he is made an exceptional case just like others before him. His lordship is in reference to not obliged to follow the Sabbath and this was given from God. When read in context, Lord of Sabbath become clear that its in reference to breaking Sabbath and yet remaining sinless. This is the reason why Jesus gave the examples of David and priests, if the above discussed was not his assertion then he would not have given these examples.
If this makes Jesus God, then surely the priests and also David ought to be God?
Just my view of things
2006-11-08
01:23:18 ·
update #1
I left the first part out.
In the verse 1 and verse 2, Jesus’ disciples pluck and ate corn and that displeased the Pharisees. In verse 3 and 4, Jesus justifies himself by giving an example of David, who and his disciples ate even though it was unlawful for them. Here Jesus is trying to show that God allowed exceptions in the law, based upon the person and his authority. In the verse 5, Jesus again shows an exception where the Priests broke the Sabbath and yet remained guiltless. Once again, Jesus demonstrates that God allows exceptions in the law based on the persons involved and their authority. In verse 6, Jesus states that he is greater than the Priests. In verse 7, Jesus shows their ignorance and enforces he and disciples are guiltless. And then in verse 8, Jesus says he is the Lord of Sabbath, meaning he is given authority over Sabbath just like Priests were given authority in verse 5, they were not made to follow it, they were the exceptions.
2006-11-08
01:30:21 ·
update #2
"I have kept my Father's commandments"
John 9:11
There is a flaw in your statement. Jesus did not break the Sabbath or the above statement would be a lie breaking the 9th commandment.
Jesus broke the traditions that the Pharisees but on the Sabbath. The Pharisees made up rules about the Sabbath that made the Sabbath hard to follow their rules were not given to them by God and that is what Jesus broke because he tried to show them HOW to keep the Sabbath.
There is no instance where Jesus broke the Sabbath or taught anyone else to.
I disagree with your assumptions that Jesus did not keep the Sabbath He said I have kept my Father's commandments
The statement that because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath means he does not have to keep it is NOT Biblical because in Genesis it says that God rested on The Sabbath. Exodus 20 repeats saying God rested on the Sabbath. When He said he is Lord of the Sabbath He meant that He knew better than anyone HOW TO KEEP the Sabbath.
How could Jesus have fulfilled the law if he did not keep the Law?
How could He have broken the law and still been sinless, if the very definition of "sin is the transgression of the law?"
If you keep reading the very next verse of the same chapter it says Jesus the same day Jesus went to the synagogue. He went to church on the Sabbath so How could he have been breaking the Sabbath?
Finally the Sabbath is for EVERYONE not just the Jews. It was given to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden Genesis 2:1-3 over a thousand years before there was even ONE Jews. It was given to Remember creation. If we all descended from Adam and Eve we should all keep the Sabbath?
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2006-11-09 08:53:39
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answered by Conundrum 4
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He is Lord of the Sabbath meaning He sets the rules. He who sets the rules does not break the rule if He has made it. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. The bottom line is; is it acceptable to do good on the sabbath? As can be seen from the whole context, yes, it is okay to do good on the sabbath. God always emphasizes mercy and grace in all things.
2006-11-08 01:33:44
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answer #2
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answered by Bad Cosmo 4
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Way too much detail in your question ! But anyway.........
Jesus was speaking here about putting unnecessary burdens on people. In one place He asked who wouldn't pull an Ox out of a pit on the Sabbath. In another place He questioned if He was sinning because He Healed on The Sabbath.
So, you see, the question is, is The Sabbath fro doing good, or not?
2006-11-08 01:39:47
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answered by Minister 4
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Firstly, The Law of Sabbath is meant only for the Israelites and not for the Christians. Let me clarify my answer. The Law of Sabbath is established because in the times of Moses, people are in slavery in Egypt; it was given to give honor to God for God has delivered them from slavery to the promised Land where He will give them rest. Hebrews 3:11
The Law of Sabbath day is given for God created the heaven and earth in six days, and on seventh day God stopped working and rested. Exodus 31:17
In the times of Jesus, the pharisees and teachers of the law where so into the following of the law, in the expense of helping or healing others. Luke 13:10-17 The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Any one of you would untie your ox or your donkey from the stall and take it out and give it water on the Sabbath. Now here is a descendant of Abraham whom Satan has kept in bonds for eighteen years; should she not be released on the Sabbath?”
So, Jesus cited David as an example because what God wants us to follow is to be kind with others. “It is kindness that I want, not animal sacrifices.’ If you really knew what this means, you would not condemn people who are not guilty; for the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” Matthew 12:7-8
What the, “..for the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” Jesus is referring to himself as the Lord of the Sabbath, and not “Lord(s) of the Sabbath. If you read Matthew 11:25-30, it says that whoever comes to Jesus, all who are tired of carrying heavy loads, he will give rest. That Day in which we must believe is actually Jesus Christ.
So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. All such things are only a shadow of things in the future; the reality is Christ. Colossians 2:16-17
2006-11-08 02:31:04
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answered by soundchemistry29 1
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I think that when Jesus says He's Lord of the Sabbath, that statement is in harmony with what the Bible says "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3). That includes the Sabbath day. If Jesus is the Creator of the Sabbath, then He is Lord of the Sabbath.
One of my favourite authors wrote:
"Upon one Sabbath day, as the Saviour and His disciples returned from the place of worship, they passed through a field of ripening grain. Jesus had continued His work to a late hour, and while passing through the fields, the disciples began to gather the heads of grain, and to eat the kernels after rubbing them in their hands. On any other day this act would have excited no comment, for one passing through a field of grain, an orchard, or a vineyard, was at liberty to gather what he desired to eat. See Deut. 23:24, 25. But to do this on the Sabbath was held to be an act of desecration. Not only was the gathering of the grain a kind of reaping, but the rubbing of it in the hands was a kind of threshing. Thus, in the opinion of the rabbis, there was a double offense.
The spies at once complained to Jesus, saying, 'Behold, Thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the Sabbath day.'
When accused of Sabbathbreaking at Bethesda, Jesus defended Himself by affirming His Sonship to God, and declaring that He worked in harmony with the Father. Now that the disciples are attacked, He cites His accusers to examples from the Old Testament, acts performed on the Sabbath by those who were in the service of God.
The Jewish teachers prided themselves on their knowledge of the Scriptures, and in the Saviour's answer there was an implied rebuke for their ignorance of the Sacred Writings. 'Have ye not read so much as this,' He said, 'what David did, when himself was an hungered, and they which were with him; how he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, . . . which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?' 'And He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.' 'Have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.' 'The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.' Luke 6:3, 4; Mark 2:27, 28; Matt. 12:5, 6.
If it was right for David to satisfy his hunger by eating of the bread that had been set apart to a holy use, then it was right for the disciples to supply their need by plucking the grain upon the sacred hours of the Sabbath. Again, the priests in the temple performed greater labor on the Sabbath than upon other days. The same labor in secular business would be sinful; but the work of the priests was in the service of God. They were performing those rites that pointed to the redeeming power of Christ, and their labor was in harmony with the object of the Sabbath. But now Christ Himself had come. The disciples, in doing the work of Christ, were engaged in God's service, and that which was necessary for the accomplishment of this work it was right to do on the Sabbath day.
Christ would teach His disciples and His enemies that the service of God is first of all. The object of God's work in this world is the redemption of man; therefore that which is necessary to be done on the Sabbath in the accomplishment of this work is in accord with the Sabbath law. Jesus then crowned His argument by declaring Himself the 'Lord of the Sabbath,'--One above all question and above all law. This infinite Judge acquits the disciples of blame, appealing to the very statutes they are accused of violating."
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May the Lord bless you!
2006-11-09 21:34:47
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answer #5
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answered by Cachanilla 3
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first and foremost, nothing 'makes' Jesus God.
God is, was and will be ( eternally)) completely different and separate from any created thing ( by logic)
Jesus, in his role of 'son of Man' used his earthly time to demonstrate how we ought to live, within the context of the current God ordained spiritual laws. when people accused him of breaking sabbath laws, it was pointed out that he could not, since he was lord of those laws also - having created them, and that the flawed understanding of God and law was the problem.
2006-11-08 01:31:56
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answered by brilheaint 2
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Yep yep yep. I agree with you. (I'm a Sabbath-keeper, incidentally.) This illustrates the pitfall of using "proof texts." In my eyes, the whole Bible (which I love) is full of messages which are often the opposite of what people use them to mean! Which just underscores to me that we're free, free, free! And incidentally, regarding your text, I'm wondering if He might have also been wanting people to consider their definitions of "work" as well as "Lord" and "Sabbath." To think, not just act like parrots! To rely on Him, not shifty words and fashionable concepts..
2006-11-08 01:31:36
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answered by shirleykins 7
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