why christians call jesus son of God while God is in need of nobody?

Question

Some christians claim that jesus is not a reel son but God in the fleche and if so why call him his only begotten son? is this not confiusing, and the mind can't accept.
God says in the holy Quran in the following Noble Verses:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
Don't you think that is simple not confusing? God is not the author of confiusion. no mysteries.
I respect your love for the man and prophet of God jesus peace be upon him. his message was to worship God alone because he wasn't God.this is your choice.
note: I am not trying to mock, having fan or under-estimating our fellow christians.

Answer 1

That the Christianity of today rests solely on the the doctrine of Jesus Christ, that he was God in human form and died on the cross as a suffering deity[1] need no longer be explained. However, there is hardly a single statement where Jesus(P) had explicitly stated that he is God, although Christians do bring out various passages in order to force this interpretation.[2] But did Jesus(P) really make statements of his (alleged) deity regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used? We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn out of context.


WORDS

John 7:16 “Jesus answered them and said, ‘My doctrine is not mine, but His who sent me.’ ”

John 14:24 “He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but The Father’s who sent me.”

John 12:49 “For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.”
WILL

John 4:34 “Jesus said to them, ‘My food is to do the will of Him who sent me, and to accomplish His work.’ ”

John 6:38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.”

Luke 22:42 “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done.”

Matthew 20:23 “…But sitting at my right hand or my left is not mine to give. That is for those to whom it has been reserved by my Father.”

POWER

John 5:19 “Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do…”

John 5:30 “I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me.”

John 8:42 “Jesus said to them, ‘If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.’ ”

John 15:2 “My Father takes away every branch in me that bears not fruit; he purges it; that it may bring forth more fruit.” Here, we see Jesus’ acknowledgement that he is an impefect sinner just like the rest of us; he too must be purged and purified.

John 8:31 “You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God??? This verse is one of the most explicit statements of Jesus denying divinity for it clearly defines Jesus’ position that he is subject to God and not God Himself. One only has to ask a simple question: Does God hears the truth from Himself?

KNOWLEDGE

Mark 13:32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.”

John 7:16 So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.”

We quickly notice that according to the Biblical Jesus, God is omniscient, but Jesus is not. God has a superior intellect to Jesus; in other words, God knows something that Jesus does not know. Another clear proof that they are not equal.

MOSAIC LAW

The next few quotes from the Bible show us that Jesus(P) was a devout and learned Jew, a rabbi:

“Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and his reputation spread throughout the region. He was teaching in their synagogues, and all were loud in his praise. He came to Nazareth where he had been reared, and entering the synagogue on the sabbath as he was in the habit of doing, he stood up to do the reading.” (Luke 4:14-16)

The worship of God was always focal in his life, even as a child. The second chapter of Luke tells us a very touching story of Jesus(P) as a precociously wise child of twelve, sitting for days among the scholars. His family had accidentally left him in Jerusalem after their annual visit for the Passover. Nearly frantic, they searched for him:

“On the third day they came upon him in the temple sitting in the midst of the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. All who heard him were amazed at his intelligence and his answers. When his parents saw him they were astonished, and his mother said to him: “Son, why have you done this to us? You see that your father and I have been searching for you in sorrow.” He said to them: “Why did you search for me? Did you not know I had to be in my Father’s house?” (Luke 2:46-49)

As he grew, “Jesus…progressed steadily in wisdom and age and grace before God and men” (Luke 2:52). After he had matured, his opinion was sought, though perhaps not always respectfully, by traditional Jews. An example of this is John’s narration of the adulterous woman brought to Jesus for judgment.

Though they addressed him as “Teacher,” they tried to trap him into saying something which they could use against him. As he straightened up from where he had been writing on the ground, he issued his famous judgement: “Let him without sin cast the first stone.” Though they had come to trap him, the scribes and Pharisees could not argue and drifted away, leaving the woman without harming her. Even those who were hostile to his teachings respected him.

VISIBILITY

While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said:

John 1:18 “No man hath seen God at any time.”

John 5:37 “Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape.”

John 4:24 “God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

STATUS

Jesus’ statements throughout the Bible suggest that any idea of exalting him to divinity was unthinkable. Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus(P) and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of Jesus(P) himself who said these following words:

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven.”

Jesus(P) would not even accept the praise of a man who called him good:

Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.’ “

If Jesus(P) would not even allow himself to be called good, he certainly would not claim divine qualities.

Mark 12:29 Jesus(P) said “Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” The words “our God” indicate that Jesus(P) had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus(P) didn’t say “Your God”. He said “our God”, which includes Jesus(P) as the creation of God.

Other similar quotes:

Luke 22:42 “…not my will but Thine be done”

John 5:30 “I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me.”

John 7:16 “Jesus said: ‘My doctrine is not my own; it comes from Him who sent me.’”

John 7:28-29 “…I have not come of myself. I was sent by One who has the right to send, and Him you do not know. I know Him because it is from Him I come; He sent me.”

John 8:50 “And I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.”

John 10:29 “My Father is greater than all.”

John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”

John 8:42 “I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me.”

Matthew 10:40; Mark 9:37; Luke 9:48; John 13:20 “Whoever welcomes me welcomes, not me, but Him who sent me.”

John 20:17 “…Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

If the above still would not convince you that Jesus is subject to the Father, perhaps the next words of Jesus would definately prove that the One who sends is greater than the one who was sent:

“Jesus said; ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither one who is sent greater than the One who sent him.’ ” (John 13:16)

That Jesus(P) would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.

So who is Jesus (P) then? A man who told the truth which he heard from God. In other words, he was a messenger of God. When a clear statement like this is issued from the lips of Jesus, why wrangle with the passages that are not so clear, and try to twist them to mean the opposite of what Jesus(P) has been saying in other clear verses all along?

Anyone who wishes to convince themselves that Jesus(P) is God should look for clear evidence in the Bible to show that Jesus(P) is God. But the clear evidence is to the contrary. The Bible teaches again and again that Jesus(P) is not God, but a Servant of God (e.g. Matthew 12:18). In the very next chapter of John 9:35, Jesus declares that he is the Son of Man. And anyone who knows the Bible as the Israelites to whom Jesus spoke will know that a son of man cannot be God. The Bible declares that God is neither a man nor a son of man (Numbers 23:19):

“How can he be called clean that is born of a woman? Behold even the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?” (Job 25:4-6)

There has long been a great deal of debate among Christian theologians and scholars regarding the divinity of Jesus. This debate has intensified in recent years, and there seems to be an increasingly open concern over the truth of this doctrine. Some Christians had even concluded that

Jesus was (as he is presented in Acts 2:21) ‘a man approved by God’ for a special role within the divine purpose, and…the later conception of him as God incarnate, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity living a human life, is a mythological or poetic way of expressing his significance for us.[3]

It is clear that Jesus(P) followed the Mosaic law and did not claim divinity. According to the Bible, he was neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Given the fact that nowhere in the Bible do we see a direct identification of Jesus(P) as God, and that Jesus(P) strongly upheld all the commandments and emphasized the First Commandment, we can only conclude that the doctrine of Jesus’ divinity has no foundation in the scripture nor in the life and teachings of Jesus(P), and that this concept is an innovation in Christian doctrine.

And only God knows best.

Appendix: Theophilus Lindsey’s “A List of False Reading of the Scripture”[4]

The following are the questions extracted from Theophilus Lindsey’s (1723-1808) A List of False Reading of the Scripture. Lindsey asked those who worshipped Jesus(P) what their reaction would be if Jesus(P) appeared to them and asked the following questions:

Why did you address your devotions to me? Did I ever direct you to do it, or propose myself as an object of religious worship?
Did I not uniformly and to the last set you an example myself of praying to the Father, to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God? (John 20:17)
When my disciples requested me to teach them to pray (Luke 11:1-2), did I teach them to pray to myself or to any other person but the Father?
Did I ever call myself God, or tell you that I was the maker of the world and to be worshipped?
Lindsey’s belief in the Divine Unity is evident from these words of his:

The Infinite Creator should be worshipped in all places for He is everywhere….no place is more sacred than another, but every place sacred for the prayer. Whenever there is a devout humble mind that looks to God, God is there. A mind free from sin is the true temple of God.

References

[1] Emery H. Bancroft, Christian Theology, Zondervan Publishing House (1975), p. 95-156

[2] Refer to our section Bible Commentary for expositions regarding this matter

[3] John Hick (ed.), The Myth Of God Incarnate, The Westminster Press (1977), p. ix

[4] Adapted from Muhammad `Ata ur-Rahim, Jesus A Prophet of Islam, p. 166

Answer 2

This is one of the best questions ever posted on religions. The Bible is a very confusing book. I dont know about the Quran however I believe in One God for all peoples. Many people cannot believe in what they cannot see. In the bible John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth on him (Jesus) should not die (in spirit) but have everlasting life. I think perhaps God presented Himself in the human form of Jesus so as people could 'see the man' and believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Yes it is a little confusing. The Trinity (three) is The One True God. I think you are very sincere and most humble - blessed be.

Answer 3

Jesus is the only Begotten of the daddy (organic and organic DNA Dad). we are Son's & Daughters by using adoption. we are grafted into God's relatives (Believers) by using being Born back spiritually & following after Christ. Is accompanied Son or Daughter, egual to Jesus? No, he's King & grasp and Lord Jesus. A King has a Kingdom! can we do issues Jesus did? definite, those are presents, many prayed for those presents. Jesus capacity is supernatual. Unborn Sons, definite certainly!

Answer 4

Hi, this is quite a good question. I am a Christian who rejects the trinity. You are right on many points.However, God sometimes uses others to accomplish his purposes. Through Jesus, God accomplished his purposes for mankind. I should clarify to you that begotten of God does not mean that Jesus is God's literal son, it means it in the symbolic sense. Jesus was God's first creation(Revelation 3:14), and God used him to create all other things (Colossians 1:16). Jesus will also rule over mankind in the new creation. That is why he is called "Lord" in the Bible. He is not God, but he has a very high status, higher then even angles-that is why he is called, specifically "God's son". All mankind are God's sons, but Jesus in that specific sense.

Answer 5

God didn't say that in the Koran. That's what Mohammad told his people. He was simply repeating Aryan Christian beliefs, which are heretical. If you do a little research, you will find that everything Mohammad taught already existed and was taught to him by the heretical Arab Aryan Christians.

Do yourself a favor and research Gnostic Christian doctrine. It matches what Mohammad taught almost word for word, and was around hundreds of years before Mohammad was born.

Answer 6

Scriptures says without him was not anything made that was made.....

A mirror cannot reflect without anything to reflect of it.....

A person can see the image of their reflection.....

However, when two "mirrors" reflect with each other, the "reproduction" of the work between them continues to reflect even to the most minute.... that a magnifying glass can see that the action between them continues.....

Such is the relationship between God and Christ... the work between them is creation and the generations of men to this present age, though it continues.

As it is written: "without him was not anything made that was made." ((John 1))


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Answer 7

THe thing is I don't believe the Quoran was from God.

Answer 8

Obviously we have a fundamental disagreement.

Answer 9

John 1 (King James Version)
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John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

19And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

22Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

23He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

24And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.

25And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

26John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

28These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

35Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

36And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

37And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.

38Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?

39He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

40One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.

41He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

42And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

43The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.

44Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.

45Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

46And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

47Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

48Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

49Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

50Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

51And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.