"We fight them over there, so we don't here to fight them here" (Bush). Is there any logic to this statement?

Question

I've never understood how Bush gets away with saying this, it's an illogical and thoroughly unpleasant claim, for two reasons:

1. If there were 5000 people in the world willing to kill themselves in suicide attacks against the west before the Iraq invasion, there are now 10 times as many people willing to do this (because of all the hatred against the west created by this war). You reap what you sow, why can't Bush and Blair see this.

2. This claim also implies that it's morally ok to make another country into a battlefield. It looks like more innocent people have died in Iraq since the invasion, than during Saddams rule.

I agree that Saddam was a very bad man, and can even entertain the notion that Bush and Blair went into this with the best intentions of bringing democracy to Iraq. What I can't understand is Bush's statement about fighting them over there, doesn't he see that this just creates more enemies of the US an Britain?

Answer 1

Another of Bush/Blair arguments is that the 911 attacks happened before Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded, and that means that anyone who argues that the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan fuels more terrorism is wrong.

That's like saying there was a fire there already a fire there, so it doesn't matter if they throw more petrol into it. Only complete idiots without the ability to think for themselves would buy into that.

Also, the fight them there so he doesn't have to fight them at home ignores the strong possibility of home grown terrorism due to increased anger over the conflicts - 7/7 bombings are a strong case in point.

Answer 2

You ask is there any logic to the statement.
Try to think of why the war on Terror does not create more enemies of the US and Britain?
Try to think of the enemies and what they have been doing and saying for long before George Bush was born.
When you have thought hard about that you may see the logic in the statement. The statement was not invented by George Bush but is a statement that has been true for a long time even before George Bush was born.
The enemies of the US and Britain are enemies because they believe that The US and Britain are infidel nations they have declared war on the infidels it is called a Jihad.
There are many tactics used in a war the invasion of Iraq was a tactic used in the war on terror whether or not this tactic has worked whether or not this tactic was a good tactic the enemies of the infidels will continue to attack infidels. It is logical to fight a war over there rather than over here. It is not true that action taken by the US and Britain in the war on Terror has created more enemies, those enemies were in existence long before the war on Terror was declared.

Answer 3

1. As long as America and Britain back Israel these people will hate us. Period. They want us to back off and then they believe they can destroy Israel. That is their stated goal. Their next goal by their own words is the complete domination of Islam over the whole world. So if your a Christian, a Hindu, a Buddhist,or the worst of all, an Atheist, their going to eventually come after you and your country. Period

2. Is it morally right to fight on another country's doorstep. I honestly don't know, but the Islamic Militants could go home too. They are not from Iraq either. They stop we're gone. So why aren't you blaming them also. Or is more to your liking to just blame Bush and Blair? If one is guilty both are

3. As far as more have died since the invasion, how many have been killed by the militants, and the Militias? Americans are not the ones using roadside bombs, car bombs, mortars on election and voter registration sites. Blame everyone.

Answer 4

Now we all know Saddam was a very brutal man to his people, and he tortured tens of thousands of them during his rule. But as you said, it looks like more innocent peeple have died in Iraq since the invasion than during Saddam's rule. Ever since the invasion until now, more than 700,000 Iraqis have been killed. I mean lets face the fact; when you hear this huge number of killings, how do you think people will respond to this? Obviously all of the militias and anti-american forces in Iraq wouldnt have established if the invasion didnt occur in the first place, in addition to the huge amount of people who got slaughtered. But whats funny is that how Bush continuosly calls those opposing forces terrorists because they want to free their land from the invaders. If you were to be in their place, what would you have done towards all this chaos (and the invaders)? Do you actually think George Bush wanted to give these people democracy in order to free them from Saddams regeim? He has 300 million Americans to care about, so why would he care about the Iraqi people? The Bush Administration have created so much hatred amongst the middle easterners against the West especially cause of this war, since he's responsible for all those Iraqis that were murdered in cold blood.
And besides, its not just Saddam who was a ruling dictator in our world. In Africa alone, more than half of all of its countries are being ruled by dictators. So why Iraq? C'mon, we all know Iraq has one of the biggest oil reserves in this planet, and since Iraq isnt an allie with the U.S, so why else wouldnt he invade Iraq? Trust me, as long as Bush is fulfulling his benefits in this war, he'll never care if the whole world will go against him.
Also, his harsh and rigorous statements shows you his negligence towards not just the Iraqis, but to all non-americans, which is another reason for the hatred against the U.S. Just like what he said in that statement you mentioned, what does that explain? He means " we'll make other countries live in hell for the sake of America's benefits." Moreover, most of his statements are sending this message: America is Gods chosen people, and the rest of mankind are all servants to the U.S.
Finally, just remember one thing. If you were a true christian, how would you judge G. Bush on his actions? Are they human? And most important of all, do you actually think God will ignore with what Bush has done to this world (especially to the Iraqis)? I dont think so.

Answer 5

There is some logic very harsh logic here.

If you fight a person in a country, other than your own, and you kill him, then you cannot fight that person in your country, or anywhere else again.

If the fight makes more enemies, then you keep fighting these enemies, in their country, until there are no more enemies left to fight, and if there are any further attacks in America, more Americans will be willing to take up the fight against the terrorists - it works BOTH ways - (total annihilation of your enemy = end of that war)

Morals and War do not usually go together as Wars have usually been fought for the purpose of taking something that belongs to someone else (Land, Liberty, Life, etc)

If terrorists did indeed strike against America (9/11), then America is "technically" justified for fighting against the aggressor on their soil rather than in its own back yard - if the terrorists gave a toss about their loved ones they would cease all terrorist activities, as that is the only way to stop a war with a country like America. (Look what happened to Jesus and Spartacus when they fought against the mighty Eagle)

A surrender to Rome (sorry America) is the only logical and least bloody way forward, as they have too many Physical resources to fight effectively - but as people are too proud to surrender, their ultimate destruction will happen, in time - he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword...

Amen

Answer 6

He's trying to rally support for his position. The American people will not tolerate WAR ON THEIR SOIL. Remember PEARL HARBOR... when the Japanese attacked us. It literally PO and immobilized a nation. That is also what 9/11 did... they felt they had to respond quick and now. So they picked Saddam... but Bush's experts weren't giving solid information about the cultural differences. All the Islamic countries now don't care for us. Look at our track record. Logic is used in war... to justify. We as a nation elected him, we as a nation have to replace him but the question is who can handle the mess were in and clean it up. It's no cupcake job and we just can't cut and run. Too many innocent lives at stake. Doesn't appear to have any winners, looking more and more like another Vietnam. Just very sad...

Answer 7

Obviously you have never been in a convoy where the 3rd vehicle behind you was obliterated by and IED and killing the driver.

How would you feel if there was a good possibility that an IED could go off every day you drove to work? That is the logic behind the statement.

Answer 8

OK, Bush bashing is not fashionable.
Try to run a country that is being attacked from all angles. It all started with 9/11 - unprovoked I might add. Pearl Harbor drew USA into II WW. 9/11 now drew USA into III WW.

The crazy people (mostly muslims) have this notion that eye-4-eye is the way to go. This has no end. Can't we just get along?

Answer 9

Actually the statement makes a lot of sense. Think back in history. WWII. England. Where do you think England would rather have fought Germany? England or Europe? Or America and Japan. Atomic bomb in Japanese held Seattle or Japan. Its not always about morals. Sometimes its about protecting the ones you love. Just because someone doesn't like you doesn't mean they are going to commit a terrorist act against you. Every suicide bomber that blows himself up in Iraq or Afghanistan is a suicide bomber that isn't blowing himself up outside of his own country. You pick... Iraq, Afghanistan or your neighborhood?

Answer 10

I agree with your points. One of the biggest issues that the USA has is it has not, in recent times, had war on its own soil. It wouldn't be able to cope. It has no concept of seeing innocent people lying in the street, dead and decomposing or dying over several days. They often cite 911 as thier "war".

Well yes, it was tragic. But it happened in one day.

They haven't been subjected to a constant battleground and so have no clue the impact that was has on a whole country. it desensitises the whole population to death, thats where we are with Iraq today.

I don't think the USA had a moral justification for taking a war to millions of innocent poeple for the sake of killing a few millitants.

I didn't notice the UK invading the USA to stop the IRA funding, did you ?

You fight your wars on you own soil. ( assuming you feel you have a moral justification to go to war in the first place )

Answer 11

what george bush is saying that fighting them over there, keeps them there and terrorism, not just war, cant reach our soil. people are not looking at the bigger picture, this isnt a war just for the sake of a war, its about terrorism on a daily basis. if blair and bush sat back and done nothing you would all be up in arms that they were not protecting our freedom or our lives.