do you really think aikido works on real fight??

Question

have you ever see on streets ppl fight like how the aikido fight?looks nice and very grace...but it doesnt work.this is real world..i go for experience street fighters its only for movies,culture and art ive never came across anyone using pressure point or armlock to subdue opponent...unless police officers with back up...if you believe to much in martial art baloney.you end up dead using aikido in gangfight...learning alone is not enough unless you experience in a real no holds barred fight its like learning swimming in a classroom..

well my friend learn aikido and wanted to spar with me,to try out the technique..he couldnt even grab my arms,wrist or any part of my joint cause i wont allow it and i retaliate violently... messing up his sparring style...end kicking punching each other...it shows human instinct and persistent..differs....even if you watch UFC..you ll find that most martial art technique doesnt work...just imagine you re fighting somebody are very quick,strong and persistent...do you think you could grab his arms or wrist??how about fighting somebody who likes to feint the attack??....that is why you will never see fights in the real world the same as in the movies or martial art demonstration.....this is the fact..

well my friend learn aikido and wanted to spar with me,to try out the technique..he couldnt even grab my arms,wrist or any part of my joint cause i wont allow it and i retaliate violently... messing up his sparring style...end up kicking punching each other...it shows human instinct and persistent..differs....even if you watch UFC..you ll find that most martial art technique doesnt work...just imagine you re fighting somebody are very quick,strong and persistent...do you think you could grab his arms or wrist??how about fighting somebody who likes to feint the attack??....that is why you will never see fights in the real world the same as in the movies or martial art demonstration.....this is the fact..

Answer 1

I do agree with your point that learning the principles of swimming in a classroom ain't the same as jumping in the pool. However, you're question seems to be based on several misunderstandings about Aikido and about practical use of the "soft" martial arts.

First, you are right in that many of the demo/movie choreography styles that instructors teach are completely useless in a street brawl. Some of them have never even been close to a real fight with an uncooperative, aggressive opponent. However, there is an element to Aikido that many either are ignorant about or ignore. "70 % of Aikido is atemi" (Gozo Shioda - Yoshinkan Aikido). No, a joint manipulation or throw as usually practiced in the dojo won't work in "sparring". Your friend's experience with you wasn't the result of an ineffective style, it was in his application and in your fore-knowledge of the strategy he would most-likely employ. Had it been a real fight with a stranger and he popped you square in the nose before applying an armlock, you might have had a different experience.

Second, you're taking "sparring" as a measure of street effectiveness. There are some nasty SOB's in MMA or UFC that I would never get into the ring with to spar or compete against. But if we're talking in a back-alley brawl and I've got a knife (he doesn't know I've got), submission wrestling is likely to get him hurt.

Third, you're assuming the only practical application is in an all out street brawl. Picture this scenario. You're at a family gathering and that obnoxious brother-in-law has had too much to drink. He decides to get a macho on and starts taking a poke at you for some imagined disrepect you've done to him. You can't just beat the tar out of him. However, a well placed armlock or a simple throw as he takes a swing at you defends you and doesn't make you look like an *** for just putting a serious hurt on him.

Answer 2

That's exactly what I've been trying to tell people. They don't need to do nhb (no hold barred) to be able to defend themselve. However they does need to at do realistic full contact sparring or grappling of some sort, even wrestling or boxing lone will help ten folds.

I disagree about armlock or other locks. It actually work very well if you apply it right because most person would rather to stop instead of go home with a broken bone. Also if their bone got break they're really in bad situtation. but you need to know what you're doing to make it work.

Answer 3

just as Kveldorgondlier said in a previous posting : "How you train, is how you fight."

Aikido techniques CAN work in any situation, but it's all in how you use them, and you gotta know how to apply it and how quickly to apply it. again it's NOT the discipline that is faulty, it's the individual who learned it and how well they can apply the techniques they've learned.

of course someone on the street isn't gonna attack/fight you in the same way as another student will in practice during class, but that's why you train; so that the technique is there in the back of your mind and you can use it if you need it.

and actual experience is good also, I had a classmate defend himself and his mom using a simple Hapkido technique, and he broke the guy's arm, it was all on tape from the cameras outside the store. when the cops pulled up, he had the guy in an arm lock to keep him from gettin away.

So you don't need anything fancy, you just need to know how to do it without having to think about it, and spend your training time wisely. you also said that your friend was trying out a technique, it was probl'y new to him an he hadn't learned how to use it quickly or properly yet (as Shaman said, good pointer dude).

and I also have to agree with Ninedemonsgod (mark your calenders folks, lol just kidding) it doesn't have to be a no holds barred fight, because in the street, you do what you gotta do to survive the encounter. or in the case of a outing with friends or family and somethin' gets out of hand, you'll know what to do without seriously hurting them, on the street, who cares? he attacked you.

And someone who learned Martial Arts will 9 times out of 10 be more likely not to get in to a "gang fight" by themselves, even with their techniques, it would be very difficult to fight four or more alone.

Also Shaman made a good point that you guys were just "sparring" so you guys aren't gonna try to really hurt each other or you wouldn't be friends in the first place (and he shouldn't've tried to use a technique on you since you're not in the class and prob'ly didn't know how to perform a break fall), because someone on the street probl'y has it on their mind to kill you.

Answer 4

I have used Aikido techniques in self-defense situations and found them to be quite effective...While pressure points in a streetfight are not always going to be able to be applied, joint locks and the like are more than usable, even against multiple opponents. The techniques have saved my life on more than one occasion, and will probably do so again when the need arises.

Answer 5

wankstar73, your name says it all really...

anyways... you would be hard pressed to find an Aikido practitioner getting involved in a gang fight, as she or he would have a job, an education, and be in bed at that time.

I do not recommend it for street fighting, but to each their own. I prefer harder techniques and violence, in combating violence. fighting fire with napalm is the way to go.

Answer 6

While I don't practice Aikido, I know it to be a good art & I respect the art & those who practice it. You should do the same. You have much to learn, grasshopper.

Answer 7

Look into Kenpo! Its street fighting!