Another question about God or Jesus in the according to the christian view?

Question

Ok, so on my last Jesus question I recieved varying answers. I had heard of the trinity thing and it kind of does not make sense, explain please. So Jesus was God in a human form. Does that mean he pretended to die? and when he 'died' he was resurrected to...himself?

Matthew 3:16
As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
What does this verse mean? Jesus saw himself lighting upon himself?
Thanks

(John 20:17) Jesus said "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God."
(Matthew 27:46) Jesus cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

(Matthew 26:36-39) When in the garden of Gethsemane Jesus prayed: "O my Lord, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless, not as I will but as You Will."

(John 1:18) Jesus said “No man hath seen God at any time.” Jesus said this while thousands saw Jesus and heard Jesus’ voice

(Luke 18:19) When someone referred to Jesus as a "good master", Jesus responded: "Why do you call me good? There is none good except God.."

(John 5:30) Jesus said "I seek not mine own will but the will of God which has sent me."

(Mark 13:32 and Matthew 24:36) When speaking of the Day of Judgment, Jesus said "but of that day and hour knoweth No man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, Neither I, but only the Heavenly Father."

Answer 1

The notion of the Trinity was (I believe) first coined by Tertullian in approx. 200 AD to refer to 3 of something, though vague references to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit being one are present in the New Testament (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14 and a few more). It was not until LATER theological study that the idea became part of the Christian Orthodox dogma. It was made official by the first Council of Nicea, hence the line in the Nicene Creed: "And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the giver of life, who proceeds from the father, whom together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, who spoke through the Prophets."

Answer 2

OK, you're question betrays a misunderstanding of God in accordance to traditional trinitarian theology. According to traditional trinitiarian theology, God is the speicies, not the specific person. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit share a common essense. Essesnse comes from the Latin verb esse, which menas "is." So the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirint have the same "is-ness" so to speak. There's nothing you can say the Father "is" without also saying the Son and the Holy Spirit "is" except the things that relate to their personal relationships with each other. For example, the Father is the creator of all things, therefore the Son is also the creator of all things, and the Holy Spirit is also the creator of all things.

Now the tricky part for people to follow is they don't act as independant creators. They act in perfect unity, so they are one creator. You don't think of the Father as one creator, the Son as another creator, and the Holy Spirit as the last creator, but rather the Father concieves and speaks, the Word he speaks is the Son, and the action of that Word is the Holy Spirit. And yet, they are all complete.

One really good analogy from St. Augustine's 15 books on the Trinity is a word. You first think the word in your mind, and that would be like the Father. Then you speak that word, and that would be like the Son. Finally, that word forms in the mind of the other person, and that is like the Holy Spirit. They're all the same word at the same time, but they are dependant on the first word in your mind and they each have their own part in communication.

A more contemporary example on the same lines is compuer software. You have an install disk that has the program on it. Then you have the program installed on the compuer. Then you have the program running in memory. All three are the same program, but all three are treated differently.

Answer 3

From the Christian view: There are three persons in the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit-three persons in one God. Here is an analogy, there are three leafs of a clover but its just one clover not three different ones. As for what happened to Jesus. He is 100% God and 100% Man. God the Father sent him into the world as a man to save us from our sins. When he was crucified he went to free all those who had allready died but weren't able to get into heaven-Abraham, Moses, King David etc.- because its gates were not yet opened. Some places it says that he wen't to hell because there is no exact name for the place where those people went. But then he rose on the third day-Easter. If I didn't explain this well enough or you have any more questions then please add details to your questions and I will answer again.


Edited: Some of these I'm not sure about myself so I will answer the ones I know best.


(Matthew 27:46) Jesus cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
He is saying this because he is suffering greatly, Its like you were a little kid who got hurt and you yell across the yard to your mom and say "mom aren't you going to help me?". but God the father couldnt do anything about this because it was necessary for Jesus to die on the cross to free us of our sins.

(Matthew 26:36-39) When in the garden of Gethsemane Jesus prayed: "O my Lord, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless, not as I will but as You Will."
Here he is basicly saying, "Father, I really don't want to go through this, if its possible please dont have me go through this. But it is your will, what ever you want, I will do."

(John 1:18) Jesus said “No man hath seen God at any time.” Jesus said this while thousands saw Jesus and heard Jesus’ voice
Right here he is talking about God the Father, because no human has ever seen him.

(Luke 18:19) When someone referred to Jesus as a "good master", Jesus responded: "Why do you call me good? There is none good except God.."
its kinda saying, so do you believe that I am God? He is questioning his belief and figuring out if he truly believes that he is God.

(John 5:30) Jesus said "I seek not mine own will but the will of God which has sent me."
he is saying " I dont do what I want but what my father in heaven-who has sent me-wants. note. whenever he refers to "God" as another person, he means God, the Father.

(Mark 13:32 and Matthew 24:36) When speaking of the Day of Judgment, Jesus said "but of that day and hour knoweth No man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, Neither I, but only the Heavenly Father."
He is saying that NO ONE knows then the day of judgement will come.



I I hope i helped if you have any more questions just add more details and i will keep looking back to this question

Answer 4

Some people are able to just believe in the Trinity by faith. Others are not. I am one of those who couldn't understand it either, but now I do.
I usually use the water analogy. Take a body of water. Freeze one part, and boil another so it turns into steam, and leave the other part as it is. It's still water, right? Still made of the same compound? Of course it is.
That's God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. God allowed part of Himself to be manifested in the Flesh: Jesus Christ. So Jesus WAS human, and yes, He did die, and when He was resurrected, He returned to God.
Jesus was/is a PART of God. The Holy Spirit is what God sent in place of Jesus. It is here with Christians now.

I hope this helps.

Answer 5

Just the very being of God goes beyond our ability to comprehend. So we believe what He says about Himself. He is one God but exists in three persons. All are God but all are different persons with there uniqueness. As to Jesus He is not only part of the Godhead but He took upon Himself true human nature so that He could pay for sin. When He died it was as a man. His human nature died not His divine. Yes its a lot to grasp but who wants a god who is nothing more than the imagination of men. I would expect the true God to be so great we can't comprehend Him. It was an amazing thing that God would take the form of a man to pay for sin. No other religion has something like this. In Christ one is saved with out in anyway paying for or earning His salvation. However when he is saved and experiences the love of God he will seek to please the one who saved him.

Answer 6

The Trinity is a touchy subject among church people.
The trinity means the father, son and holy ghost.
Some church goes believe that God and Jesus is one. Others believe that God is God and that Jesus is a human who spent time on earth. The spirit of God entered Jesus.. not God entered Jesus. Hope this has helped.

Answer 7

The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other, yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says "I", and "You" when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods, but one God. There are three individual subsistences, or persons. The word "subsistence" means something that has a real existence. The word "person" denotes individuality and self awareness. The Trinity is three of these, though the latter term has become the dominant one used to describe the individual aspects of God known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Here is an illustration that might help. Basically, the universe consists of three elements: Time, Space, and Matter. Each of these is comprised of three 'components.'

Time: Past, Present, & Future
Space: Height, Width, & Depth
Matter: Solid, Liquid, & Gas


As the Trinity doctrine maintains, each of the persons of the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is distinct, yet they are all each, by nature, God.

With time, for example, the past is distinct from the present, which is distinct from the future. Each is simultaneous. Yet, they are not three 'times,' but one. That is, they all share the same nature: time

With space, height is distinct from width, which is distinct from depth, which is distinct from height. Yet, they are not three 'spaces,' but one. That is, they all share the same nature: space.

With matter, solid is not the same as liquid, which is not the same as gas, which is not the same as solid. Yet, they are not three 'matters,' but one. That is, they all share the same nature: matter.

Note that there are three sets of threes. In other words, there is a trinity of trinities. If we were to look at the universe and notice these qualities within it, is it fair to say that these are the fingerprints of God upon His creation? I think so. Not only is this simply an observation, but it is also a good source for an analogy of the Trinity.

Answer 8

When Jesus was on earth, He was 100% man and 100% God at the same time. It sounds confusing to you maybe because you are looking through worldly eyes. On the Cross God removed His presence from His son, That's why Jesus asked why have you forsaken me. Jesus had a temporary body like we do and God poured out all His wrath on it instead of us, and thank God for that.

Answer 9

Here is aquick explaination I have written I thik it will help you to understand... Jim

The Father is God he is all the God that there is. The Son (Jesus) is God He is all the God there is. The Holy Spirit is God and again all the God that there is. This is best understood by the mortal mind by looking at Creation. God has reveled Himself to us there as well as in the Bible. The dimension of space are height, width and breadth. Each of these dimensions is infinite and by that definition each contains all space. Yet these dimension make up one space. God is like that each is God all the God that can be because He is infinite yet these three are the One true God...

Answer 10

I don't think they are the same person/diety/whatever. It just doesn't make sense, scripturally or logically. God sent his Son to the Earth to suffer and atone for the sins of mankind. While Christ was on the Earth the Spirt was not, because Christ testified of himself. Once Christ left the Earth/was resurrected, the Spirit was provided to convert, educate and testify. Additionally, the Trinity was conjured up and then adopted by the Catholics in 325 AD. It just stuck. God didn't send himself to the world to die for us, he sent Jesus.