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So How can we prove God or do we care to prove it?

2006-11-03 15:33:14 · 22 answers · asked by Godb4me 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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: God is, by definition, that being from which everything else came but who Himself came from nothing else. In this regard, some have called God the causeless Cause. We say that everything must have a cause. However, if we apply this reasoning forever into the past, we must accept a logical requirement for one original cause that had no prior cause. This original cause must contain within itself the source of its own being. When we get back to this original causeless Cause, we have come to God.
Now, you did not ask for logical reasoning, but rather for scriptures, I do not want to disappoint you. Two requirements of this causeless Cause are eternal existence and self-existence. Let us look at each of these attributes of God and support them by scripture.
ETERNAL EXISTENCE:
If God is the original cause of all things, then He must be before all other things. And, if He is to have no cause outside of Himself, then He must be eternal in His existence. Not only is there no time when God was not, but His very existence transcends time--He exists outside the dimension of time. This is precisely the God described in the Bible.
According to Psalm 90:2, God is God "from everlasting to everlasting." He is "from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Other beings may exist eternally into the future, but only God can exist eternally in the past. Nothing came before Him. He has no rivals. He says of Himself, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isaiah 44:6).
But more than that, God is not even limited to the framework of time. In Isaiah 57:15, He introduces Himself as "the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy." Notice that God inhabits or dwells in eternity. Though He certainly works in time, time does not bind Him as it does other things. He inhabits eternity. We cannot much understand this dimension called eternity and certainly do not fully grasp its meaning. It must suffice us to understand it according to its negative definition--it is not time bound or time directed as our present universe is. Therefore, we can be uplifted with words such as these: "The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms" (Deuteronomy 33:27).
SELF EXISTENCE:
It used to be that you would hear someone described as a self-made man. This was a man who without external advantages "lifted himself up by his own bootstraps" and made something of himself. And, although this may describe a type of personality we can understand, there is really no such thing as a self-made man. Nothing can be the source of its own existence--unless, of course, that something is God.
To speak of the self-existence of God does not mean that He brought Himself into existence. Since God is from everlasting, this is not necessary. However, it does mean that God is the source of His own being. Everything else has its origin in something else and exists because that something brought it into existence. In a sense, God is His own original first cause. He did not come into being; He simply is. When Moses asked for a calling card, a letter of introduction so to speak, from God to the children of Israel, God replied, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you" (Exodus 3:14). The verb, AM, is simply another form of "to be" (indicating the being of God) or "is." The question is not how God came into being because He is the great I AM. God by definition is that being who exists in and of Himself.
This self-existence is seen in other passages as well. According to John 5:26, "the Father hath life in himself." That is, the life of God comes from God. You and I cannot say that. No other being can say that. Self-existence is one of the unique characteristics of God. Of Him scripture declares, "Who only hath immortality" (1Timothy 6:16). Only God has full control over His own existence. Even when God came as the God- an in the form of Jesus Christ, He could not simply be killed. Of His life, Jesus testified, "I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again" (John 10:17-18).
God powerfully proclaims His own existence in Deuteronomy 32:40 - " For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever." Coming from anyone other than God, this would be the ravings of a madman. From God, it is simply the truth. Seven times in the Bible, God declares Himself to be the first and the last (Isaiah 41:4; 44:6; 48:12; Revelation 1:11, 17; 2:8; 22:13).

2006-11-03 15:39:25 · answer #1 · answered by Ray W 6 · 0 0

God doesn't exist--He is transcendent. That's the whole point.

How do you prove a metaphor, anyway? How do you prove love--or any other abstract concept?

There is little difficulty in proving the existence of God, nor is there any reason to do so. The problem lies in certain primitive religious traditions that personify God as a literal man in the sky who writes books and creates species.

In Exodus chapter three, when asked His name, God said to Moses, "I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

God is the gap between consciousness and the awareness of consciousness, which religious people presuppose must be the SOURCE of consciousness. Scientific materialists would say that the source of cosciousness is the physical body. But, no matter what your religious point of view, that point in your thought where you are not conscious of self or craving or past or future is the seat of your Christ nature or Buddha nature--it's the non-moving and eternal center of the universe. When you align yourself with that, you're good with God and will do no wrong.

I read a great slogan on one of the Antichrist's flyers in Left Behind II: "God is in us. God is us." That's a God that can unite the world.

2006-11-04 00:09:30 · answer #2 · answered by Sabrina H 4 · 0 0

For thousands of years mankind has not been able to prove that God exists. But religion takes in $3 billion a year in donations. God must come down like he used to do in the Bible., it's the only possible proof. Forget the excuses that religion gives you. Don't forget that Biblical people were ignorant by today's educational standards. They had a 99% illiteracy rate. Every time they witnessed something that their limited knowledge (they thought that the earth was flat) prevented them from comprehending (lightening, maybe a ufo, etc.) they called it God. If what happened to them thousands of years ago happened now and we were writing the Bible, you know that it would be a completely different book.

2006-11-03 23:52:26 · answer #3 · answered by The professor 4 · 0 0

That depends on how you define God. If you are talking the master builder of the universe, heavens land-lord, the great accountant in the sky who tallies up your good and bad deeds, or the comfort of the afflicted. Is there a design to the universe, most scientists believe there is, so Yes, there is a God. Is there a heaven? Again you have to define heaven and if your definition includes a heavenly king, then yes, there needs to be a God. Is there a great big accountant who keeps a record of every good and bad thing we do throughout our lives, and then passes judgement when we die? Possible but then He is supposed to forgive us if we ask so what would be the point of keeping track? Is there a supreme being who just by dint of believing in him, comforts people - Yes people are comforted by the belief in his being so he exists. If He didnt exist they would not be comforted.

2006-11-03 23:44:08 · answer #4 · answered by fancyname 6 · 0 0

These are not mutually exclusive ideas. We can prove God exists, and God can exist as a spirit. It's not like one fact makes the other impossible.

2006-11-03 23:36:33 · answer #5 · answered by chdoctor 5 · 0 0

You have to ask one who has seen God . Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada has seen God and he is in a line of disciplic succession who have each seen God. Krishna Says "I is the source of everything emanates from Me just as pearls are strung on a thread." Read Bhagavad- Gita As it is by Prabhupada If you are not Convinced who God is then I don't know what will convince you . If you want the Christian Understanding the whole truth and nothing but the truth go to http://www.essene.org get Gita at krishnaculture.com

2006-11-03 23:40:18 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Why waste time trying to prove his existence, concentrate on the things we know are real. Peace, love, compassion, forgiveness. These things are more important than worshiping a god that MAY or may not exist.

2006-11-04 00:09:10 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

You can't prove God exists (scientifically speaking).

As a believer, I see many "proofs" that show God exists. People can interpret those same "proofs" as coincidences or other random happenings. For me, God is real.

If God gave us a way to prove He existed, then our belief in Him would not need faith. We wouldn't actually have to choose Him.

2006-11-03 23:38:03 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Isn't it the like putting the cart before the horse? Because it is man who should prove their faith onto God, and it is not God who should prove His existance to man.

Ask believers and they tell you they have got proofs, that is throuth their own spiritual experiences and perception.

If there is proof first then people will believe, there everyone will go to heaven, theoritically.

2006-11-04 00:51:17 · answer #9 · answered by The Mask 4 · 0 0

It is really easy thing to do. First you must really want to know God exists and really be willing to be His friend, then you just mend your broken fences with him and ask Him to be your friend. If you are sincere then He will change you in a way that observable to you and those around you and wah lah you proved it to everyone who is important to you.

it is proof because the change was predicted 2000 years ago

2006-11-03 23:38:58 · answer #10 · answered by icheeknows 5 · 0 0

Can you feel the air that you breathe?No? But you know it's there don't you. Why? because of the effect. We are told to worship Him in spirit and truth, but to worship Him you must do it with your whole body, soul, and mind (Matthew 22:37,38). And to help us do that we must have faith, we must keep our heart open to Him. By doing so he reveals himself to us in many ways.
We can't prove to someone else that God exists, they must have their heart open to believe that He exists (and by doing so we must use the Bible (Hebrews 4:12))

2006-11-04 00:06:57 · answer #11 · answered by bbrose85 2 · 0 0

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