What happened to the forum on a Possible puppy mill?

Question

I have a newsflash for some here. I did get some forwarded E-mails at my aol. It seems like someone isn't telling the truth, and it wasn't April. She was asking for information on Doberman puppies, and was blocked at every turn by the breeder.Who didn't think it was important to answer her. Since one of my friends bought a puppy from them, I know first hand information here. The puppy's ears were infected severely, this didn't happen in the 2 days it took to get the male puppy, it had been going on for a while.If April wanted to warn people, Kudo's to her! I don't know her, but she stood up for animals, I admire that, and everyone else should! Knowledge goes a long way in this old world. Check your chosen breeder out before you buy, there are honest ones out there, as well as some who should be ashamed of themselves, but April did tell the truth in this forum!

Before mj makes a concerned statement about a personal vendetta, she should read what April wrote. She did NOT buy a puppy, nor was she refused a puppy, April made the choice NOT to buy from her. I can speak from "Hands On" experience on one of the puppies. I was his Vet. The puppy was clean, healthy EXCEPT for the infection from his ear cropping. He was too young for that, any GOOD Vet will tell you that 8 wks is too young to crop. From several E-mails I got, & there were 61 of them from different people, and at least 39% had dealings with the breeder, and were not happy. 4 of the dogs have questionable AKC papers and have been put on hold by the AKC. So this April was not refused a puppy,and I saw some of the mail, April refused the puppy, NOT the other way around, now people want to attack with not knowing the facts, get real, dogs are not always kept in cramped dirty cages to be classified as abused, all it takes is someone who just doesn't care, April did care!

Other than the current answers, I haven't seen anymore. Abuse does come in many forms, I'm not advocating giving animals cavier, or mineral water, but do treat your animals right, no overbreeding, and if you sell an animal as AKC your should be able to provide the truth about the heritage of animal. If it is "Championship" then that means direct lines, not 4-5 gererations back. The male puppy I treated for the infection from the ear crop, will never be able to be shown as the owners wanted, and the breeder knew why thay wanted this puppy, but the puppy is now grown and very healthy and happy, and pretty much a couch potato. All are happy, but would have been happier if the breeder had possibly been upfront all around.

Answer 1

As a 35 year member of the US Humane Society, I'd have to agree with the Dr. You don't have to have dirty cages, no food, or beat animals to be abusive! The problems with Puppy Mills are they are hard to prove. But if someone breeds MORE than one type of breed, in this case 5, plus other animals you need to be suspicious! If April took the time to report some HARD facts on this site, maybe you should listen! I didn't see anywhere where she was denied a puppy from the breeder, instead we saw real questions and no reasonable answers from the breeder, except some anger on the breeders part. I saw the first forum, and did some checking before yahoo took it off. Maybe the person who was offend had it taken off, who knows? But, she hasn't been back on to say anything else EXCEPT to gather sympathy about her Mother, of which I AM sorry to hear BUT which had NOTHING to do with the forum at all.I'd like to thank the Dr for sharing his forwarded e-mails with us, the insight from April was very Commendable, many thanks to her! So lady, know your facts, it wasn't a personal Vendetta at all, and if this isn't the place for it, where is the place? All animals SHOULD be everyone's concern! Even yours, and mine. I have 4 Great Danes, and they live in my home, and have their own room, and travel with us as "Good Will Ambassadors." In our RV. If any wants to contact me, I am listed in yahoo as [e-mail] All questions will be answered.

Answer 2

It seems to have been removed. Regardless, this is not the place for somebodies personal vendetta.

Someone cropping younger than others thinks she should, not being willing to sell someone a puppy, and not answering someones questions about your dogs does not make someone a puppy mill.

The ear cropping I don't know much about, I have only had uncropped breeds. But there are many, many people I would not sell a puppy to. There are also people where I don't care to answer all their questions because I know I would never sell them a puppy.

This woman had absolutely no evidence of filth, cramped cages, or lack of care. She just didn't like the way this woman did things, and that does not make someone a puppy mill, at best, it may make her a crappy breeder.

It does sound to me like she was just mad because she wasn't sold a puppy. I hope she never approaches ME for a pup and then totally trashes me on a public forum because I wouldn't sell her one.

I hadn't heard any actual facts, just ranting. Undoubtably, there are many bad breeders out there, she may very well be one from the way it sounds. I am always skeptical when I hear things like this because I see breeders attacked because they don't do things just like someone else thinks they should. We all have different ways of caring for out animals, mine live in my house and sleep on my couch and bed, but it isn't right for me to expect everyone else to keep theirs the same.

I probably don't agree with you on what is abuse, because of my statement above, people keep animals differently. Is it abuse to not do every health test known to man? Is it abuse if your dog is overweight? Is it abuse if the dog lives outside? Is it abuse if you crate your dogs when you are gone? Is it abuse if you are busy and your dog doesn't get as much attention as someone else thinks it should? Is it abuse if you don't give bordatella or lepto? Is is abuse if you don't have $2000 for an emergency surgery?

There are people that would answer yes to all these questions. In case you aren't aware (the AVMA does not seem to be) there is a whole movement trying to end pet ownership. To buy into the "all breeders (who don't do things the way I think they should) are puppy mills" or the "thats abuse" because someone isn't doing things just as someone else thinks they should is buying right into the whole AR crap.

Abuse (to me) is if the dog does not have food, water and shelter. Of course, I wish everyone kept them like I do, but who am I to decide how they should do it.

Answer 3

They the two circulate to the shield, are killed and dumped, abandoned , used to perpetuate the cycle or are auctioned off to somebody else's breeding application. yet another determination is being bought at once from the 'breeder's' domicile to three undesirable unsuspecting sap who thinks 2500$ for a mutt is properly worth it. ETA: queenchef93 domestic dog generators have not got ANY 'intense-high quality' animals. they do no longer care approximately genetic subject concerns, inbreeding or wellness problems. domestic canines are money and the extra canines they have pumping out domestic canines the extra money they make. ETA: specific, canines have it tough. a lot of them finally end up undesirable because of the fact their proprietors are retards, getting used for income, destroyed, abandoned and worse. this may well be a great area of the reason that all and sundry canines proprietors/canines fanatics ought to stand up and artwork in the direction of finishing domestic dog generators, irresponsible possession and the puppy over inhabitants. it relatively is somebody determination yet each individual does make a distinction. i for my area blow hundreds of dollars a year on my animals and NONE of that money is going to ANY save which sells stay animals. this is hundreds of dollars a year which does no longer circulate to lining the wallet of domestic dog generators, BYBs etc. it is not international-changing on my own yet combine it with a number of thousand people doing an identical with their puppy-money and it does upload as much as a great income-loss.

Answer 4

My wife wants one of the mentioned breeder's puppies, so I guess we're fixing to find out what type of facility and breeder she is or isn't.

Answer 5

More than likely, a complaint was sent in to Yahoo. To the best of my knowledge they are the only ones that can remove questions.

JU_LI_ET.... good luck.

Answer 6

I guess I didn't see the one you are talking about.