Evolutionists, explain please.?

Question

1. So how did the eye evolve? The whole "light sensitive spot" theory doesn't hold up; even a light sensitive spot is an organ of irreducible complexity. If one component is removed, the organ becomes useless and even detremental to the host organism.

2. How could something so complex as DNA be formed gradually? DNA has a very high information content. As far as man has observed, natural forces have failed to produce anything that remotely approaches the complexity of DNA.
Snowflakes have low information content; they are just geometric designs - a few directions that are repeated over and over.
The same is true of crystals.
So how did all this happen? Wouldn't there have to be some driving force that made organisms evolve to more complex life forms?

Actually, DNA cannot occur naturally. The miller and fox experiments only proved one things: There must be an intelligent agent using pure materials.
Miller got an equal number of left handed and right handed amino acids, and amino acids can hook up in a vast number of ways. However, only left handed amino acids are good for supporting life, and they are only good for supporting life if they form a peptide bond. The only way this could happen enough to form an actual protein would be if somehow all right handed amino acids were removed and only the left handed ones used. Even then, when Fox zapped his left handed amino acids, he got very few peptide bonds. Peptide bonds only form proteins if they hook up the right way. The odds against are staggering.

Answer 1

Interesting how Aussie's above advice for you is to go to the science section where she herself does not go to answers her own scientific inquires.

Answer 2

1. Irreducible complexity is the argument that you don't know what time it is if your watch doesn't have a second hand. A simple model starts with a "light sensitive spot" that could detect the shadow of a predator. It becomes protected and gains some directionality by descending into a cup. The cup acquires a protective overlayer with a small opening that provides focus. The opening gets a translucent protective covering and becomes fluid filled, creating a globe with sharper focus. Improvements that provide one advantage (protection) can provide a second (visual acuity).

2. How could computers go from 64kB to 1GB in 25 years? How can genomes range in size from 5×10^5 base pairs (bacteria) to 3×10^9 bp (human) or even larger 2.5×10^11 ("whisk fern")? Why do Creationists ask reasonable sounding questions that mean nothing? Watson and Crick published the structure of DNA in 1953. It's no great shock that scientists have not reproduce 4 billion years of evolution in 53 years. The fact that the transposon mechanism of gene duplication can explain increasing complexity demonstrates a simple mechanism for evolution.

As for a driving force for evolution: "survival of the fittest". Over vast amounts of time, little advantages accrue.

Answer 3

1. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html this a great resource with videos and everything. There is no such thing as "irreducible complexity" in science. Even the poster child of "irreducible complexity," flagellum, has been shown to evolve.

2. DNA would most likely have come from RNA. We are not sure how it came it to be. And for the record, 99% of DNA is junk DNA. If we knew the exact environment of the earth at the time and had 1.5 billion years to spare, we could likely find it, but since we don't, we don't know yet. Finding god in ignorance is the last tool that creationists have. "We don't know how it happened, so it must be god." Thousands of years ago it was thought that lightning was the product of the gods.

As for the driving force it is called natural selection.

Answer 4

Pick up a November issue of National Geographic - it has an excellent article on evolution which includes simple to more complex organisms AND the big eye evolution answer.

Really it takes some study to understand evolution - more than you get in high school biology and definitely more than you get from a preacher or answeringgenesis.com and the similar creationist websites. You can't just give out a few soundbites and think that is it and then refute it.

Answer 5

Well, we're doing research to establish our points; can't see you ID guys doing anything resembling science, unless that what you call beating your heads with Bibles and chanting prayers. Or maybe you can submit some evidence for the existence of a "divine force"? Notice that "there is no other explanation" hasn't been real evidence even when monkeymen felt that a lightning-lit up tree must be a sign of gods' rage because "there was no other explanation" their brains could handle.

Answer 6

you are clearly not interested in the TRUTH.

you are only here to post a question you heard your pastor said to ask atheists. so you come on yahoo answers and post this question and wait for another christian person that is equally as brainwashed as you to say evolution is ridiculous so you can feel all dandy about yourself. but that doesnt change the FACT that creationism is just a bunch of bronze age baloney.

on the other hand, if you really want to know, ask a science board. they will gladly educate you for once in your life

Answer 7

ahhh but there are documented cases of animals that lived in the dark for a millenia or 2 looseing their eyes to evolution.

and forgive me if i am reading this wrong, but are you suggesting that DNA Cannot occur naturaly. this would either mean that animals have no DNA. or that god spent as much time on the animals as he did us, therefore prehaps the animals are our true borthers, and the Vegans actually have a reason not to eat them.

seeings that i know that animals have DNA , one arguement is out.

Answer 8

Hahahahaha
I just have to have a good healthy laugh first thats all.

Its true that you cannot trace the evolution of the eye at all and that DNA is essientailly a bunch of Data, and everyone know that data cant come from nothing. someone had to put it in that order.

Now back to my laugh, i just thought it is funny how people were criticizing you question because it was science based. What i see mostly in these forum is either athiest posting questions that arent really questions but about how much that hate God and religion, and questions asking why christians dont believe in evolution. Hahaha and when someone like you comes along and questions evolution they get all up in arms about it. Haha iono i just think its funny that they view us as hipocrites, but they never stop to examine themselves.

God Bless. i hope you had a good of laugh as me. haha

Answer 9

You are not clever enough to answer these questions . Human knowledge does not stop dead, it is growing all the time. Just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean you have to invent one.

Answer 10

Please ask a science board this if you are actually interested in learning.

Because you ask this in a religion board, it is clear you are in no way looking for real answers, but shallow arguments in which you can then say to yourself something along the lines of: "Yay! I win!"

I'm sorry this is snarky but it is quite frustrating. My accepting evolution is not a "belief system," by the way, so please don't call me an "evolutionist" as though it were some sort of religion. If you must do this, call me a "gravity-ist" or a "theory of relativity-ist." K thanks bye.

Answer 11

www.talkorigins.org


the answers to your uninformed questions are on that website.

that's assuming that you CARE about what the answers are.


In my experience people like you simply don't care. You don't WANT to know the facts about evolution. You'd rather stay ignorant and take uneducated, ill-informed pot-shots that never hit the mark anyway.

good luck with that.

if you ever want to actually learn something about biological science, by the way, have the stones to go ask your question on the biology board. The fact that you're asking a question about a biological theory here on the RELIGION board really exposes your sad little agenda.