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just want to know, give me the name of the book the chapter and the verse number please. and also make sure that you add what the bible says in your answer :) thanks!

2006-11-02 09:26:27 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

this does not prove there is a trinity!

"He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)

that proves there is not a trinity!

2006-11-02 09:34:51 · update #1

15 answers

It's not in the Bible because it was made up by the Catholic Church long after Jesus' time.

2006-11-02 09:40:36 · answer #1 · answered by RobynGee 2 · 2 0

It doesn't say. The reason why is that the trinity did not become "Christian" until over 300 years after the Bible had been completed. It was formulated by clergymen at the Council of Constantinople in 381CE.

People who believe in the trinity try to make it appear that the trinity is found in the Bible. Their scriptural "proofs" are nothing short of pathetic. For example:

John 10:30 says: "I and the Father are one. "According to the trinity, you need 3 co-eternal, co-equal persons to make God, right? Do you see that here? No. You only see 2 persons. So this verse does not prove the trinity.

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" (Deut. 6:4) Do you see 3 persons in one God here? I sure can't!

"There is no God but one." (1Cor. 8:4) Do you see the trinity here? No!

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." (Isa. 45:5) How about here? Do you see anything that says God is made up of three persons? Still, no!

There is no God but one. (1Cor. 8:4) I believe this verse, but does it say God is a trinity? No!

1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
This quote is not even found in modern Bibles because it has already been proved to be a false addition! Some scribe who already had trinitarian beliefs tried to make this verse appear to support the trinity.

So, the trinity is a falsehood that no true Christian will believe. It is a lie and it goes contrary to what the Bible really says.

2006-11-02 10:10:27 · answer #2 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 2 0

THE TRINITY CONCEPT IS DECEPTION AND GOD AND JESUS IS ONE ONLY IN THE WAY THEY THINK, THE PLAN FOR MANKIND. IT IS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS THE SON. GOD IS A FAMILY AND IS REPRODUCING HISSELF WITH THOSE WHO KEEP HIS LAWS.
It may first be noted that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (KJ) found in older translations at 1 John 5:7 are actually spurious additions to the original text. A footnote in The Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says that these words are “not in any of the early Greek MSS [manuscripts], or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg[ate] itself.” A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce Metzger (1975, pp. 716-718), traces in detail the history of the spurious passage. It states that the passage is first found in a treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus, of the fourth century, and that it appears in Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts of the Scriptures, beginning in the sixth century. Modern translations as a whole, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include them in the main body of the text, because of recognizing their spurious nature.—RS, NE, NAB.

Other evidence of its impersonal nature. Further evidence against the idea of personality as regards the holy spirit is the way it is used in association with other impersonal things, such as water and fire (Mt 3:11; Mr 1:8); and Christians are spoken of as being baptized “in holy spirit.” (Ac 1:5; 11:16) Persons are urged to become “filled with spirit” instead of with wine. (Eph 5:18) So, too, persons are spoken of as being ‘filled’ with it along with such qualities as wisdom and faith (Ac 6:3, 5; 11:24) or joy (Ac 13:52); and holy spirit is inserted, or sandwiched in, with a number of such qualities at 2 Corinthians 6:6. It is most unlikely that such expressions would be made if the holy spirit were a divine person. As to the spirit’s ‘bearing witness’ (Ac 5:32; 20:23), it may be noted that the same thing is said of the water and the blood at 1 John 5:6-8. While some texts refer to the spirit as ‘witnessing,’ ‘speaking,’ or ‘saying’ things, other texts make clear that it spoke through persons, having no personal voice of its own. (Compare Heb 3:7; 10:15-17; Ps 95:7; Jer 31:33, 34; Ac 19:2-6; 21:4; 28:25.)

2006-11-02 11:11:08 · answer #3 · answered by His eyes are like flames 6 · 1 0

Though not a complete list, here are some other Scriptures that shows God is one, in Trinity:

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" (Deut. 6:4)

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." (Isa. 45:5)

There is no God but one. (1Cor. 8:4)

And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt. 3:16-17)

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)

Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

"He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)

"He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)

If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)

"Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)

And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)

[Jesus speaking to His disciples] "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23)



Hope this helps.

2006-11-02 09:30:12 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

That would be a very long search because the bible does NOT support the idea of a trinity.
It is an erroneous idea.
Hell is the grave ....6 feet under.
Some will quote you "I and the father are one"
First, that's not 3.
Second, Jesus was talking about unity, just like John 17:20-22

2006-11-02 09:35:41 · answer #5 · answered by Uncle Thesis 7 · 1 0

What the Bible says is that there is no way to the Father except through the Son and that Jesus and the Father are one...

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9Jesus answered: "Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. (John 14)

Jesus said, 30 "I and the Father are one."
31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?
35If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--
36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
37Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.
38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." (John 10)

2006-11-02 09:28:58 · answer #6 · answered by whitehorse456 5 · 0 0

Grace(not Law) unto you, and peace(not division),
from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Several(five) instances of "these three" in NT:
(i) Lk 10:36 ... only 1 of 3 is a good 'neighbor'
(ii) 1Cor 13:13 ... only 1 of 3 'never faileth' a test
(iii) 1Jn 5:7 ...Ghostly trio "are one": perhaps dead
(iv) 1Jn 5:8 ...Earthy trio "agree as one": proselyte?
(v) Rev 9:17,18 ... 3 killers: 'jacinth' also in Rev 21:20
(perhaps 1 of 3 is 1 of 12 blowing 'smoke' up yer a*s)
(perhaps 1 of 3 top dogs who's 1 of 12 is johnny law)
http://www.godshew.org/RevelatorySermons26.htm
http://www.godshew.org/RevelatorySermons16.htm

So the trinity concept is crap("dung": "law").
If it's crap, flush it, and make a clean wipe.
For a little leaven leaventh the whole lump.

Global reconciliation is via "that God" in "Christ":
http://www.godshew.org/Reconciliation.htm
That God: all light(grace), no darkness(law) at all.
Christ: the end of the law, thereby Saviour of the world.

As for "believe", even devils "believe": James 2:19
The objective isn't to believe, but "know": John 8:32
Know-ing makes "you": of ye/you, free of believe-ing.
For the entire kingdom of God is located "within you".
http://www.godshew.org/YeYou.htm

Forgive "them", for they "know not": Luke 23:34
http://www.godshew.org/Sevens3.htm
"Servants"(slaves) tend to know not: John 15:15
http://www.godshew.org/AboveAServant.htm

As for "hell", which follows the death rider in Rev 6:8;
When you flush law(death rider), hell is also flushed.
http://www.godshew.org/NoLawNoDeadEnd.htm

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

2006-11-03 01:14:05 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I believe Jesus is the Father ,Son, and Holy Ghost!!!! i do not believe in the trinity because that was a concept that was made in the 4th century.Also baptism was changed because people starting out baptizing in the name of Jesus .Read Acts 2:38...... a matter of fact read the entire book of Acts.........God bless.

2006-11-02 10:20:03 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 3:16-21, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "

2006-11-02 09:35:46 · answer #9 · answered by Pearly Gator 3 · 0 0

I've never seen the word "trinity" in the Bible. Great question!

2006-11-02 09:30:55 · answer #10 · answered by ☼Grace☼ 6 · 2 0

Jesus said no one comes to the father but through me...this is as near as you need ot get to it. read John 14 Let not your heart be atroubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father’s ahouse are many bmansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will acome again, and receive you unto myself; that bwhere cI am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the away, the btruth, and the life: no man ccometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had aknown me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the aFather; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the aFather, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am ain the bFather, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

2006-11-02 09:36:32 · answer #11 · answered by djmantx 7 · 0 0

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