Let's be honest here. There are more Enlisted Personal than Officers in the armed forces. Only a High School Diploma is required to join as an Enlistee. A H.S. Diploma does not get you far in todays workplace. A College degree gives you more options for a good paying job, making it less likely for you to join the military, which makes it less likely you will go to Iraq. If I am wrong about this, please explain why. . .(I joined the military and got my college education afterward (using the G.I. Bill), which, if I had to do again, I would reverse it).
2006-10-31 18:29:09 · 12 answers · asked by zambranoray 3 in Politics & Government ➔ Military
Bleed the Freak: I was Navy and an Aircrewman . . .I believe that being in the air is and was much safer than being on the ground. Especially with the IED's our men and women are dealing with today on Iraq.
2006-10-31 18:42:26 · update #1
Helena : I re-read what I wrote and can't seem to find where I wrote something wrong. I was asking a question and stated some facts. I also asked for an explanation if you disagree. I am not calling anyone dumb or in anyway disgracing anyone in the military. I am simply asking if you increase your chances of going to Iraq by not getting a better education. It is my belief that you do, by not being able to get a good job, not being able to afford college and using the option of joining the military to enable you to get an education. I seriously doubt anyone joins the armed forces because they dislike our country! That is not the issue. I worked for the military for 28 yrs and spoke to many of our men and women. . .most (the majority) told me they joined because they needed a job and hoped for a better education.
2006-10-31 18:54:12 · update #2
Shovel Kic: What you stated may be true, however, the majority of enlistees signed up as H.S. Grads, not College Grads. While in the Military they obtained thier degrees. This goes along my statement of joining to get a better education. . . in turn a better job, and that job can still be in the military. Most of the "Grunt" work is performed by the young (H.S. Grads) and those who either "Chose" to be, or were unable to score high enough for a chance at a "Better" job. If you were in the Mil. then you know this is true. Today, the Schooling offered by civilian outfits for service(men and woman) make it possible to get educated during service, which is why more are getting educated, but after they joined. I am not sure of your figures, but it would seem that more H.S. students are recruited than C.Grads. That has to be true as there is a much larger pool in H.S. and the draw is Free or Assisted Education.
2006-11-01 05:55:26 · update #3
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2006-10-31 18:47:13 · answer #1 · answered by cork 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I think there are many college graduates joining the military today because the amount of civilian jobs have decreased. My son's is in the Army. He has a BS in Computer Network Management. He graduated 4 years ago and could never get a job in his field. Most of the other students he went to school have had the same result regardless of their grade point average and living in Los Angeles. The same goes for programmers and various other computer studies graduates. Out of the 200+ students who graduated in all of the fields, the ONLY ones working in the computer field today are those who had jobs before graduation. Most of the others are working in other fields or have joined the military as my son did. He tried to get into flight school and finally after a year and half was turned down because of his eyesight. He is now applying for OCS.
In the army most of the officers and the warrant officers have college degrees. The exception might be if they have worked their way into those positions from time and experience. If you are just joining and wish to go into flight school or Office candidate school, you must have a 4 year degree.
I think the going to Iraq will depend on your specialty and whether it is needed. It has nothing to do with your education. If you are infantry, it would seem more likely that you wojuld go than if you were a drill sgt.
super682003: I am not sure where you are located, but in the USA, ALL medical doctors have far more than a bachelor's degree. They have been in school for a minimum of 8 years. The military does not train doctors except for military protocol and doctors enter as Captains. Registered nurses enter as Lts and must have their bachelor degrees. Now the miltiary will train enlisted personnel to be corpsmen/women, but those are not doctors or nurses. I would also assume that lawyers have already passed their bar exam because in 10-15 weeks of speciality training, you would not even begin to understand law at all. I am not sure about Chaplain, but here again most chaplains have college degrees from a speciality college that focuses on religion. I am just wondering if you were reading the information about the USA military, you misread the material.
2006-10-31 18:55:29 · answer #2 · answered by msfyrebyrd 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Statistically speaking you would be more likely to go to Iraq with a college Degree.
As one individual pointed out you do not need college to join the military as an enlisted person. You do need a college degree to be an officer. So we can say that 100% of all officers serving in Iraq have a degree.
Next, the percentage of enlisted with college degrees continues to climb and has exceeded the 40% mark. Most jobs in the military require atleast an AA degree for promotion past pay grade E6. Also there are many more enlisted then officers. So take the total number of military personnel, roughly 160000, in Iraq and and I would and you would find that around 100000 have degrees ranging from AA up through doctorates.
2006-10-31 22:05:37 · answer #3 · answered by shovelkicker 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I would rather join the military with a Professional college degree (Medical, Law, Religion etc.) than with a Bachelor's degree or a high school diploma. I would do this because to me the only way to go in the military would be to join and become a doctor, lawyer, or a chaplain because the training for the military for these fields is very short and simple, and then you go on to anywhere between 10-16 weeks of specialty training that teaches you how to be a doctor, a lawyer, or a chaplain in terms of the military, not to mention if you get deployed to Iraq, you can avoid combat.
2006-10-31 18:36:31 · answer #4 · answered by super682003 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
No, there are plenty of officers in Iraq and Afghanistan. As you are aware you must have a college degree to be an officer in the US Armed Forces, but there are also some Sr. Enlisted that have college degrees and they are also over there.
The chances are all based on your job and time in service, not on you education level. You should know this having spent time in the Navy. This has not changed any, and is likely not to change any time soon.
2006-10-31 20:00:25 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I also went the same route...after 6 years in the Navy I got out, and went to college on the GI Bill.
Can't say I would prefer go the other way...although intelligent enough, I wasn't ready for college at the time. I did get into the nuke program.
Don't think I would have wanted to be an officer in any case. If I had made it through college, I would have just gotten a job as a civvy.
2006-10-31 18:52:04 · answer #6 · answered by powhound 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I don't think it really matters. I know alot who have college degrees and still joined the military; they just put their career on hold. I found out, I think it's the other way around. Alot seem to join to GET schooling or a career. I think it really is up to the individual.
2006-10-31 18:35:57 · answer #7 · answered by Nancy D 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I see your thinking behind your statment Im air force most enlisted already have a degree but than again for the most part. our officers are in more danger than enlisted there the ones flying the planes.
army marines navy I see your point yes it does work like that.
2006-10-31 18:37:03 · answer #8 · answered by Bleed the Freak 5 · 3⤊ 0⤋
actually, your level of edumacation has squat to do with it. PLENTY of enlisted servicemen have advanced degrees. and there are plenty of Officers who are in harms way. just because their overall numbers are smaller doesn't mean the same percentage is in the field.
frankly, nowadays, a 4 year degree is no guarentee that you will get a decent job in the civilian sector anyway.
2006-11-01 03:54:36 · answer #9 · answered by Mrsjvb 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Being "Stuck in Iraq" was a reference to George Bush. Just like Nixon was "Stuck in Vietnam" (and secretly "Stuck in Cambodia").
It has nothing to do with the fine men and women of our armed forces, except that the Republican Spin Machine has twisted it to suit its purpose of angering those who refuse to look beyond the sound byte.
2006-10-31 18:54:51 · answer #10 · answered by MrLou 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
If you are an American and bent upon going to Iraq, you should be without any kith and kin.
You do not need a degree or certificate to get killed.
Just your mass and weight is good enough to be transported back home after few days.
Learn from Britons, they are packing up to go back.
Leave Iraq to the Iraqis.
2006-10-31 18:46:18 · answer #11 · answered by Saadi 5 · 0⤊ 3⤋