If God made a covenant for the Jews to be the chosen ones for all time, are they not still the chosen ones.?

Question

How will this reconcile if they are the chosen, do not believe in Christ and must reach paradise which can only be reached through Christ (Not a joke I would like a real discussion)

Answer 1

God made a covenant with the children of Abraham the twelve tribes of Israel. They are the chosen people of God for all times. When we become saved thru Jesus Christ we are grafted in this family. So, yes all christian who believe in Christ are Gods chosen people. Hope this helps you to understand. Also, God chose this line of people from Adam to Mary an unbroken genetic line for the purpose of the birth of Jesus Christ. Thru Christ all can come into the chosen family.

Answer 2

Well, according to Judaism, the Jews are, always have been, and always will be the chosen people. Jews do not believe in Christ. You're trying to apply a Christian philosophy to a Jewish belief.
If Christians believe that paradise can only be reached through Christ, than they probably don't believe that members of any other religion, Jews included, will reach paradise.
But the belief that the Jews are the chosen people has nothing to do with reaching paradise. Judaism has many requirements to getting into heaven, beyond being Jewish; non-Jews are also able to get into heaven. In fact, it's easier for non-Jews to get into heaven. Judaism states that since the Jews are the "Chosen People" they have more responsibilities, and it is therefore harder for them to get into heaven.

But, with religion, there are never definate answers. I am Jewish, and this is what I have been taught. You can ask a priest or a minister if you want a Christian perspective on this.

Answer 3

Covenant relationships are never one sided. Read Moses's last speech to the nation of Israel before he died. All the promises were conditional, dependant on fidelity to God and to His laws. What type of covenant would marriage be if one of the partners was not true to the other? But, God's promises are always true, so the covenant was passed on to another people. See parable of the vineyard in Matthew 21. It is unbelievable how many Christians still believe that Israel is the chosen of God despite the clear Word of Truth as it is revealed in scripture. When will the Christian community wake up and read their Bibles for themselves instead of following the fables of their self-serving ministers? Why do Christians insist on rebuilding the middle wall between Jews and Gentiles that Christ has already torn down? Regardless of how many actual texts from the Bible are given to prove that Israel is no longer the chosen people of God, Christians dogmatically cling to this doctrine that is without a shred of Biblical foundation. The marriage between Christ and the Israeli nation ended when Christ was rejected and put to death. Every marriage is "unto death do you part". This one was no different.

Jew reach paradise the same way as Christians, through the blood of Jesus Christ. Remember, the early Christian church was entirely Jewish. This is the remnant that Paul speaks of in Romans.

The Israel of Revelation is the Israel of faith not of the flesh. It is to this Israel that the promises are given because of the faithfulness of Jesus Christ who fulfilled the law in our stead. Because He was faithful to the covenant, the promises are passed to His decendants by faith. This includes all OT and NT believers, Jew and Gentile. It is so simple. Why make it hard? To conform to preconceived doctrines that are on shaky Biblical ground?

Answer 4

its just one of many issues with christianity.

from my understanding, some christians think Jews get an exception, from the pre-existing bargain. (this is the most logical imo)

some think that the deal was called off. (which is the most absurd... as if God can't be relied on to hold up his end of the bargain)

what is bizzare IMO is how people come up with this "fulfilled" thing... which really just ... doesn't make sense at all. I mean among other things, one of the problems with the christian idea that jesus was the jewish messiah, is the part that what christians believe jesus was, ... isn't what the jewish messiah was even SUPPOSED to be to begin with.

that is, for example, that the jewish messiah was never supposed to be God, a sacrifice, or any more divine than you or I.

>>"Not all Jews don't believe in Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus came first to the Jews and then to the rest of the world. Many Jews have some to the belief that Jesus is the Messiah and many more come to that belief every day."<<

this is incorrect. NOT A SINGLE JEWISH PERSON BELIEVES IN JESUS.

to belive in jesus is idolotry by jewish standards, and beliving in such excludes one from any longer being jewish.

Answer 5

The Jews were always God's chosen people until Christ died on the cross. At that time, any people could be as the chosen ones through Christ Jesus.

Answer 6

They were at one time God's chosen people, but they repeatedly rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah (read Matthew 23:37,38). When the Jews were exiled from Babylon in 70 C.E., God asked the Jews to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple but they didn't, instead a Islamic shrine was built there. If the Jews claim they are really God's chosen people, wouldn't they have rebuilt the temple devoted to worship Him?

If you read Galatians 3:27-29 it basically says that "ALL people who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor freeman nor male nor female, for you ALL are one person in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham's seed, heirs with reference to a promise." So from God's standpoint, it is no longer the natural Jews only but Gentiles too.

Answer 7

That's an interesting question. The jews are God's chosen people. Jesus is the only way to get to the Father, so jew or not, without Christ, there is no getting to God. Just being born a jew is by no means a ticket to heaven. Nor does it mean that they are exempt from God's judgement and wrath. It just means that God chose them and first gave them His law. It does not mean that He loves the gentiles (non-jew) any less. Both are under the law and both sin and lost without Christ.

Answer 8

Israel is still God's chosen people. He made an unconditional promise to Abraham that his descendants would possess the land forever (Gen 17:7-8). This promise was passed through Isaac and Jacob (Israel).

Paul confirms that the church has NOT "replaced" Israel as the chosen people in Romans 11 when he says that "all Israel will be saved". This happens when the "deliverer comes out of Zion", which is a reference to the second coming of Christ.

At that time, Israel will look "look on me (Jesus), the one they have pierced, and they will mourn...and grieve bitterly" (Zech 12:10) and He will save them and they will possess the land (Israel, with Christ as their King sitting on David's throne) forever.

However, this was a promise to the NATION of Israel, not to any individual Jew. Today, no individual Jew is saved without faith in Christ. After the cross, salvation is offered to "whosoever". And whosoever believes will have eternal life (John 3.16). This is an individual promise of eternal life to available to anyone. Even the Jews.

So Paul writes, "As far as the gospel is concerned, they (Israel) are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. (Rom 11:28-29)

God will save Israel when Christ returns. They are His chosen ones.

Answer 9

The Jews are still Gods chosen people, Christians have been grafted in. The Jews must at some point accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Answer 10

The Bible says that all Israel will be saved. But not all Israel is true Israel. There are quite a lot of Jewish people who are not religious and they will not be counted as part of Israel. The whole reason for the coming seven year tribulation talked about in Revelation and in Daniel is the reconciling of the Jewish people to their God through their Messiah, Jesus Christ or Yeshua. God's spiritual wife is Israel and God is not a man who would leave His wife. The Jewish people are and will always be the Chosen People of God.