Quran 9:05 YUSUFALI: "...fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"
This is a follow up on my question from yesterday in which several Muslims furiously claimed that I cited 9:05 in the Quran "out of context"
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Dont you love it when people resort to the tired "its out of context man!". Its a pat response for everything..."out of context!!!".
Ask yourself what possible "good context" there could be and what possible good purpose could this verse have?
First, nowhere in this chapter (Surah) does it ever lead anyone to believe that murdering pagans for sport, was only for Muhammad's day, and not today. But even if it did make some temporal reference, dont you stil get the same gist, that pagans should be killed!
2006-10-31 11:38:50 · 12 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
During WWII the allied forces were given instructions to kill the germans wherever they found them as they pushed for Berlin. By your logic I guess that still applies today? Americans and Brits want to kill all Germans?
apply everything you said, to the context of the germans and WWII and you will see how foolish your question is.
2006-10-31 11:41:23 · answer #1 · answered by abdulaziiz 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Yes, you are taking it out of context. The context was some 1300 years ago. Why do you assume this was a declaration of undying principle?
But to answer the statement you are making behind your question, the Bible is no less violent than the Quran. These were different, more brutal times. Furthermore, all ancient texts are taken out of context when applied to the present day.
How is this quote any different?
Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB:
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.
2006-10-31 19:58:50 · answer #2 · answered by scotchfaster 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
How and why is it that the muslim religion is not only feared by the pagans but also respected!
why did the christians steal the nubian image of christ??
why is it that the christians go to church once a week
hay we could do this all day and yet i refuse!
why is it that the white man has nothing to do with this specific religion or region it was born in huh??
wow!
and if the Quran says this- So be it!!
and this to shall pass!
hay where in the bible is the marriage vowels you know i laugh at how very silly it is!
hay tell me this who in the world is this fool King james and why was he afraid to be smothered to death??
lol
you do know this is where the new testament came from he really jacked that portion up - didnt he?!!
the K.James was a drunken nutt!
lol
and if this is your only real issue with the Quran then so be it!!
and you sit here thinking - hay i got them now when your whole New testament is literally unbelievable thats why i have yet to ever see a true christian!!
haaaaaaaa!
2006-10-31 19:50:05 · answer #3 · answered by wise 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The Quran is a religious book written by people of a certain believe system. I don't agree with murdering at all, but in all fairness the Old Testament of the Bible has many stories of God telling his people to kill various peoples so we can't judge one religious text without judging the others. I am a Christian and don't understand why certain things were acceptable back in past centuries, but forbidden now. Jesus tells us in the New Testament that we are not to murder or take vengeance. He said that we are to turn the other cheek.
2006-10-31 19:51:00 · answer #4 · answered by BetteBoop 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I am a guy, a Malay, and a "Submitter to the will of God" (Muslim). I'll try to answer as best as I can, and I'll try to explain what "out of context" for the verse means. Judge me as a fellow man.
In the Quran, there are many tones to God's speech. Like us when we speak, we sometimes speak calmly, happily, sadly, angrily, and sometimes shriekingly loud (like my sister, haha).
This particular verse was sent to Prophet Muhammad when the Muslims were opressed, were persecuted, and when their very existence were on the balance as a huge Meccan army were upon them.
So God, in this verse, speaks in the tone of a General, El-Capitan if you will, to His army of Muslims of Medina.
Imagine a General saying "...fight and slay the Meccans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)". Doesn't this make sense?
But does the verse make sense in everyday life?
No, Muslims don't just go and kill other people. I have many "Pagan" friends (Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists), and no Imam of mine has ever told me to kill them! I would rather die than kill an innocent Hindu. And by God I do.
This verse can easily be taken out of context. Osama bin Laden interprets this verse as a permission for mass murder. Apparently, you the questioner have also interpreted this verse like Osama bin Laden.
2006-10-31 23:44:43 · answer #5 · answered by farhansallehin 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Thanks for Q.
Pls. read 9:04 what does it say????
(((But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous))
what about 9:06 what does say???
And why you didn't mention it???!!!
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The meaning of verses should be read within the context of the event, and when the phrase was sent to prophet PB UH, and was there another one which has edited the previous phrase on same subject? e.g the prevention of drinking Alcohol has taken three stages to be abandoned, so, current Muslims should they go back to all stages???
So, in reference to your Q. this applies to those involved in the war. Another phrase in another Surat says ALLAH doesn't prevent you from dealing with them and doing them good" Pagans" but those who fight you you should. ( Talking about pagans of Makka who used to be relatives to Muslims).
So, you need to read it in context and understand the circumstances around it.
Otherwise there was a whole Surat about Non-believers where the meaning says , you have your own faith and I've mine .
Another one and it is one of the last phrase sent to prophet Mohammad PB UH, which says There is no enforcement in religion, the Truth is clear, and the false believes also, clear.
I wish I clarified it to you.
2006-10-31 20:16:51 · answer #6 · answered by zajil 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
To my understanding, the origional definition of Pagan is: "Country Folk". I would take the Quran's reasoning to be: slay all non-believers.
2006-10-31 19:49:57 · answer #7 · answered by Clerical error 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
This in not the only reference in the Quran that explicitly calls for the butchery of those non-Muslim people who will not become Muslim or pay the 'dhimmi' tax.
Islam is a religion of JIHAD, everlasting war until the world is dominated by...yes, you guessed it...ISLAM!!!!
ISLAM divides the world into two parts
1. Dar al Islam...the World of ISLAM
2. Dar al Harb...The World of WAR
Think about the above fact for a while, it really says everything you need to know about ISLAM.
2006-10-31 19:52:42 · answer #8 · answered by dwbehrens1 1 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Substtute any religion:
The world of____, or the world of war
Do unto others before they do unto you
The Quran, just as does the Bible, speaks of live & let live,
until the other is threatening to destroy you and your religion
Ouch!
2006-10-31 20:07:09 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
It might say that, but I've met several Muslims who are aware that I'm a Pagan. So far, they've done me no harm.
2006-10-31 19:48:58 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋