I asked this question and people said to me obviously I have never read a Bible, visit the following links if you have confidence that Jesus(pbuh) is God and died on the cross:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2294876665735364519&q=Zakir+Naik&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5283623989368520963&q=Zakir+Naik&hl=en
You be the judge on whether there is substantial evidence, pay attention to person who argues that he didn't die on the cross and see if you can counter his points
2006-10-30 18:24:10 · 16 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
don't bother with it if you don't have confidence
2006-10-30 18:25:41 · update #1
How many times are you going to post the same kind of question again and again?
Video is toooooo long to watch. Anyway i will answer according to bible and quran.
Suppose a man does indeed come up to you and does says,
"I am God, worship me."
Would you believe him?
Would you worship him?
The immediate reaction of any monotheistic believer would be to call the person making such a claim an impostor and a blasphemer. If that is your reaction too, then why would you demand something from Jesus which you aren't going to accept anyway? Most would declare insane anybody who would make such a statement. Jesus knows about this natural reaction as well as anybody else and saw no reason to make his claims in such a foolish way. But he did make the claim in indirect ways and those are just as clear.
What matters in the end is not the existence of this literal statement, but whether there is clear evidence that he is indeed God, no matter in which form he issued the claim. If there is clear proof for his divine identity, then you have to worship Him even if the wording of his commands is not precisely the way you may think they should be. We cannot prescribe for God how he has to reveal himself before we accept it.
For example, in the Gospel according to John, (speaking of eternal life) Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life.
He who believes in me will live, even though he dies."
(John 11:25). He makes the offer of eternal life conditional on
faith in his own person. This would be blasphemous for anybody
other than God. This is an incredible claim. Does he give any
evidence for his authority to make such claims? The record
gives many details of what happened at this particular day, but
at the end we read, "When he had said this, Jesus called in a
loud voice, `Lazarus, come out!' The dead mean came out, his
hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around
his face. Jesus said to them, `Take off the grave clothes and let him go.'" (John 11:43-44).
When you read the Gospels carefully you will find that
consistently
* Jesus talks like he is God,
* Jesus acts like he is God,
* Jesus gives evidence for claiming this authority rightfully
by performing miraculous signs.
After 3 years with his disciples we read how one of them asks Jesus and wants to be "shown the Father (God)".
Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. ... Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves." (John 14:10-11).
Jesus expected the disciples and the people around him to recognize his true nature and identity from his words which are only appropriate for God to speak and from his deeds. Jesus does give enough proof and then lets you draw your own conclusions. Everybody could make the claim to be God. And many have made claims to be (a) god throughout history. Only
the true God can give true evidence for it and if you have the evidence there is no need for the explicit command to worship anymore. The statement "I am God" adds nothing of substance to the question regarding his identity. His real identity is established by the proof he gives, not by claims each and everybody can make. After he has given the evidence, there is no more need for the statement. Those who are open for the truth will recognize the evidence, those who ignore the evidence won't be convinced either if he adds this specific statement you seem to demand from him.
It took even the disciples themselves such a long time to really understand it. They have really only started to comprehended the meaning of it all after Jesus's own death and resurrection, after they meet the risen Lord.
In the Gospel according to John, end of chapter 20, and the Gospel according to Matthew, end of chapter 28, we read how Jesus receives worship and affirms this. Even though he never demands the worship, he accepts it and confirms it as proper. You may be right when taking it the literalistic way. He never says these very words. But he makes his claims very clear in many other ways.
Despite the fact that all Christians believe that Christ was crucified, which is also clearly stated in the Mark 15. 21-41; Matt. 27.32-44; Luke 23. 26-43 and John 19. 17-27, Quran states that it wasn't Jesus that the Jews crucified but someone resembling him.
"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)
But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise. )" (Q.4:157-158)
The story of Christ being lifted to heaven "in body and soul" is obviously contrary to all logic and science. One wonders what kind of Heaven Muhammad was envisioning? The above verse implies that Muhammad believed heaven must be a geographic place and that God has a physical body. Because if he had thought that Heaven is a spiritual realm, then where did the body of Jesus go? You need a physical place to accommodate a physical body. In an age that science is unraveling the mysteries of the extra terrestrial space, it would be interesting to question a Muslim, where is this physical heaven that Christ has ascended and God has set up his thrown?
One wonders why Muhammad would say such thing despite the emphasis in all four Gospels. The answer lies in the group of Nestorian Christians who populated the Damascus and Northern Arabia during time of Muhammad. These Christians thought that it would be impossible to kill the Son of God and believed that god tricked the Jews and sent someone else who looked like Jesus to be crucified, thus he saved his favorite Son. This is the source of the above verses of Quran.
By reading Quran one realizes that Muhammad knew the New Testament only through second hand stories and he never read the book himself.
There is another mistake of Muhammad that should be really embarrassing to anyone who claims that Quran is a revealed book. And that is about confusing Marry the Mother of Christ with Miriam the Sister of Aaron and Moses. These two were born about 1400 years apart from each other. See what Quran says.
At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!" Q. 19:27-28
Also:
And Mary, the daughter of `Imran, ..... -- Q. 66:12
What do you think about the above?
2006-10-30 22:36:57 · answer #1 · answered by rav142857 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
In the Bible there is not significant proof that Jesus (pbuh) wasn't God and didn't die at the go. Or, is there a brand new revised variation of Bible? If there may be, it ought to be false.
2016-09-01 05:02:02 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Bible SAY'S that Jesus Christ DIED on The CROSS, also that He ROSE from The Dead in 3 Days, and later Ascended in to Heaven, and is seated at the Right Hand of God The Father. A simple reading of The New Testament will show that.
Therefore the Answer to your Question is NO ! There is not any thing in Scripture to suggest that Jesus, The Son of God, did not Die on The Cross !
2006-10-30 18:34:22 · answer #3 · answered by Minister 4 · 5⤊ 0⤋
look, muslims are just fond of doing silly things like this. instead of the Bible which came much earlier, u guys came up with the quran and says it is true about the Bible! what rubbish #1 !
instead of reading the Bible, u choose to believe in a 1 hour, 40 minutes and 28 seconds video. what rubbish #2 !
ur mohamad slept with the 6 yrs old and just because he had a dream about her, u guys believe he is from allah. what rubbish #3 !
ur mohamad says he cant perform any miracles nor can he give prophecies because he is just a messenger. a messenger cant prophesize? what rubbish #4 !
ur mohamad cut off the limbs of a thief without even going through a proper jury. is he the law? what rubbish #5 !
the list goes on, but u can check this out IF U HAVE ENOUGH FAITH, IN UR OWN WORDS.
2006-10-30 18:42:54 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
Stop spreading your lies, if you dont want to beleive fine, but dont spread lies.
Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit as a wittness, and that the true followers of God would worship Him in the Spirit of Truth. The very fact that i have wittnessed this is enough proof for me. People filled with the Holy Spirit, people praising the Lord in toungues etc.
2006-10-30 19:15:38 · answer #5 · answered by Either/Or 2 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Well, he never did anything of his own volition, but by the authority and power of his Father, giving him honor for it.
As for dying on the Cross, he didn't. He died on a branchless tree. There is no word in the oldest scrolls that says cross. The usual response to that is that they added a cross beam at the top when he was crucified, but the Bible does say that.
2006-10-30 20:20:27 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
there is no evidence in the bible that says Jesus DIDNT die on the cross or that he WASNT God
2006-10-30 18:26:44 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 0⤋
This kind of stuff really scares me........ But thanks for the information... I like to keep an open mind..... I believe this is not substantial evidence and this has nothing to do with religion or my briefs. Everyone has view points. Thats what makes this world great. Great forum....
2006-10-30 18:28:19 · answer #8 · answered by nasturtium41 2 · 0⤊ 4⤋
Bible never says he died on the cross. And why would Jesus say, "Father, why hath thou foresaken me?" while he was being sacrificed. Sure didn't sound like he knew what the plan was...lol
2006-10-30 18:30:04 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 4⤋
Actually Jesus was not God but he taught people in Gods name. You see Jesus had very important lessons to teach humans and he died for our sins. But if he died for our sins that means we don't go to hell because there is no such thing. Hell was invented by the government and so was Jesus being God. God is in each one of us so yes he was in Jesus just as well as he is in me and you.
There is no devil either but there is satan which the illuminati worship. It is very hard to explain.
2006-10-30 18:29:06 · answer #10 · answered by Matthew E 3 · 0⤊ 6⤋