If creation is the ONLY way for something to exist, then who/what created god?

Question

Think about it. We're told that nothing comes into existence randomly -- no, everything MUST be created. If that's so, then god must be created, so who/what created him?

@ Dodo: If there's a god and I choose to believe "just in case," wouldn't he know that? And if there were a god, I hope that kind of belief wouldn't impress him; it certainly doesn't impress me.

Answer 1

The 'old' gods... maybe. And before that the really old gods. Then it's a simple case of adding another 'really' in any discussion.

Answer 2

The answer the Christians come up with is that God Just Is and doesn't need a creator. But that is just special pleading. Restricting created things to those things which begin is phoney also because physics teaches us that time is just an aspect of the universe not something it is embedded inside of so the universe itself is eternal (timeless). Any attempt to claim the universe itself is not eternal is just a fallacy of composition. The Big Bang singularity is no more a creation event than the north pole is the creation of longitude lines.

Almost every creationist argument given here has used the fallacy of composition. Making claims about the universe as a result of derived properties of things within the universe.

And when we recognize that the universe itself is timeless and non-contingent then all creationist arguments attempting to argue god does not need a creator would be better applied to the universe itself, with the caviat that the universe is far simpler than god, and far easier to explain in terms of necessary mathematical laws.

Note the suttle fallacy of composition Jaimie makes below. Which is also an equivocation on the word "has".
He says the universe "Has a beginning" when he really means
Things within the universe have a beginning. The universe itself is timeless and does not have a beginning. Only things within it have a beginning.

Answer 3

Creation needs a Creator right?
That creator did not only create physical objects, but concepts, like time. If the Creator exists outside of time and all things (past present future) are in present form. Therefore He always has and always will exist.
Nothing created God, because God did not need Creating, he did not need a beginning because He does not live under time. In order to have a beginning you must have time. If there is no time there is no beginning, there is no ending. There just is.

Answer 4

Actually, no, God is uncreated and self existent.


Often skeptics will throw the question: "if God created the universe, then who created God."

That is based on an erroneous premise that every being needs a creator.

The true premise, however, is that any *contingent* being needs a creator.

A contingent being is that which possibly cannot exist or can be other than what it is.

Now the universe is contingent because anything in it that happens to exist can possibly not exist, or be other than it is, without violating any logical laws.

Things *are* in creation, but they do not have to be.

Since they require a cause for existing rather than not existing, then God is required to explain them.


But nothing outside of God is required to explain His existence because He is not contingent. He is what is known as *necessary.*

His very essence is to exist.

He is Being Itself or Existence itself.

He is the ultimate, primordial, necessary reality that has existed from all eternity.

As Absolute Existence without qualification, He is infinite, so has every positive attribute a being can have - infinite goodness, infinite power, infinite beauty, infinite intellect etc. - and has personhood, because personhood is a positive attribute of being.

He has no physical shape or size, because He is infinitely beyond space and time.

He is supreme mystery, though we can have some knowledge of him by analogy to what is created.

Although I won't go into the reasons here, God does not contain evil because evil is merely a privation of being or goodness that is due to something. Evil is not a positive being in its own right.


God as Pure Existence explains why He reveals His name to Moses on Mount Sinai as "I AM" (Exodus 3:14) - which means that He is being without qualifications - without limits.




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Answer 5

God is incorporreal, meaning He has no body. This would mean God is outside of both space and time. He is a spirit, and does not need a creator. Only matter needs a creator. The laws of physics come in to play after the creation of matter.

Answer 6

according to einstein (who believed there is a god), matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. So you can believe that matter/energy existed forever? Even before the big bang? He believed that matter exists when energy travels at the speed of light and then reverses upon itself at the speed of light without slowing down. What could have made it do that? Not even the big bang can cause that.

Answer 7

ahhhh this is y im in a Catholic school..ok ill xplain
Nothing can set itself into motion therefore thats 1 reason that God exists.
and How did God come to be??? well if something created God then there would be an infinite regretion..which is a chain of creation that would continue for ever and we would not be here..so obviously God was always there.
and there is no time for God, there is no past present or future for God he Was and Will be forever...so u cant say..WHEN did He come to be..

Answer 8

God was never created, becuase God IS NOT a creature like the rest of us

"Say He is God the one and only...God the Eternal Absolute...He begets not nor He is begotten...And there is none like unto Him"
The Quran 112

Answer 9

Please read my words carefully:
If you see footmark in the sand, you'll say that someone passed from here...
If you see a piece of dog sh*t on the ground, you'll say that a dog passed from here...
So what about the enormous universe, the sky, stars, planets, earth and all the beauty in it, doesn't it lead to that someone made it?!!!

Some people say that everything is created by itself after the big-bang... I won't ask you about what caused the big-bang, but I'll ask you a simple question:
If you take all the letters of the alphabet, multiples of them, and you threw them randomly on the floor. Do you expect (by a chance of one in infinity) to get a poem like shakespear's??!!

Can't you see how organized our universe is, the planets, the eco-system on earth, look even in your own body... Can you control your heart-beat? Can you control your breath while you're sleeping? Who stopped your eye-lashes from growing after reaching a certain length? Who told the baby turtles to move towards the sea and not to the earth after they come out of their eggs? Who taught the bird how to make nests?

My friend, think with your heart and brain. If you're still lost, think about the following:

Do you know how to play safe?
Your point:
If there's no God and you do all what you want in life, then nothing will happen to you after life. But if there was God and you were mistaken, then you'll blame yourself FOREVER...

Believer's point:
If there's God and I followed His commands in life, then I'll be in Heaven after life FOREVER. But if there was no God and we're mistaken, then nothing bad will happen to us after life...

Now you know how to play-safe, in case you're not convinced?

Answer 10

For the one who posted above, there is no flaw. Obsurd as it may sound, I will use a quote from the Matrix. "Everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo."
Why do you limit the Almighty God to our own laws and logic? Do not listen to the hypocrites who claim they are wise. For only true wisdom is knowing that God is the Almighty one.