Will the final battle of Armageddon be waged between the believers in Faith and the believers in Reason?

Question

bigvol662...: And just where are Faith and Reason while all this is occurring?

chslaw & veysel_pe...: YOU assume that I assume what you say I assume. Perhaps I believe that those who believe in both faith and reason will not participate in this final battle at all. Perhaps that is the core of truth that lies at the heart of this question. Perhaps..

Answer 1

Preamble Note: Marko - You don't really expect me to "invent" a whole new answer for this category too, do you? LOL


This is a marvelous question, and one that I hope I can at least partially answer to your (Philosophical, Psychological and Spiritual) satisfaction. Though, PLEASE, do feel free to read between the lines. … Turns out, and as cruel irony shall have it, such a battle has already been waged and WON (well, perhaps the more appropriate delineation in this case would be, RESOLVED). After all and as they say: Real life is by far stranger than fiction. Now, why did I mention “cruel irony”? Partly because in the battle to which I am referring, the role of the “Faithful Character” happened to be portrayed by perhaps THE most unlikely candidate to play the part – indubitably one of the greatest mathematicians, logicians, and analytical philosophers of his time, and the “atheist” author of the by-now-widely-famous essay “Why I Am Not a Christian”! YES, no other than the Prince of Logic, Bertrand Russell himself, who set out to prove the supremacy of “Logic” as the ultimate foundation of mathematics. Whilst, as the other party to this clash of the titans, you have Russell’s most unlikely antagonist, Kurt Gödel, as the prime defender of “Reason”. Russell (together with Alfred North Whitehead – another brilliant mathematician) had been working on his monumental tribute to the primacy of logic (i.e. Principia Mathematica) for many years prior to Gödel’s short elegant paper/proof (i.e. On Logically Undecidable Propositions in Principia Mathematica and Related Systems) that managed to dash Russell’s hopes of EVER realizing his ultimate objective of finding “the Logical Holy Grail of Mathematics”. It is even reputed that Russell was on the verge of committing suicide after having examined Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem(s) [In short: “For any consistent formal theory that proves basic arithmetical truths, it is possible to construct an arithmetical statement that is true, but not provable in the theory. That is, any theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete.”] … In any event, to me the true philosophical impact of Gödel’s Theorem basically centers on the fact that no one is, or can EVER be, the undisputed owner of The Absolute Truth – neither the believers in Faith nor the believers in Reason. After all, and if anything, Quantum Mechanics has also showed us that Absolute Certainty is NOT the pillar upon which The Universe can rest. And yet astonishingly enough, the courage to shun fanaticism and ignorance (in all their nebulous manifestations), continues to elude humanity, in both its Faithful AND Logical experiences. … In all, if this is not a testament to the inherently anomalous human condition, I am not sure what is!

Answer 2

No... because there will be no armageddon.

The world will go on. Humanity will change... evolve... and eventually die out as we know it... giving way to something else.

The world will still go on... until eventually the sun turns into a red giant, expands... and burns this planet to a lifeless rock before consuming it completely. The earth's matter will become one with the sun, which will eventually explode.... sending that matter out into the Universe.... where eventually it will reform as part of a new star and conjoined system.... and we're right back to square 1.

Things cycle; they do not 'end' in any absolute sense...
And besides.... if the believers in faith ever actually faught the believers in reason .... the "faith" people would get massacred, because existence itself functions on causality, and reasoning is the calculation thereof.

Answer 3

No. It will waged between the army of the Antichrist and those who have rebelled against him when he tried to make himself God and everyone saw through his prior deceptions. There will not be any believers on Earth during that time due to the fact that they have already been raptured out. Plus, when Jesus returns with the "cloud of witnesses" to establish the Millenial Kingdom, the armies will actually try to attack Him! He'll reduce them to blood deep enough to flood the valley "up to the horses bridles" because the nuclear devices that will surely be used by man during this battle will not allow the blood to coagulate, thereby creating this river of blood. The Scripture says that Jesus will leave the bodies to the birds for a feast and then clean up the world's ecology, resetting to what it was like at Eden.

Answer 4

I believe the battle of Armageddon is poetic language and will not be a literal battle. I think it describes what happened at the cross, when Jesus took evil in a sneak attack.

Answer 5

I agree with chslaw.

People are divided into two:
True believers (or Mumins as defined in Islam) and unbelievers(including hypocrites which seem to be believers but are not).
Each of them may be divide into two: Believers in "reason and positive sciences" and unbelievers in "reason and positive sciences"

And one must not think that "Believing in Faith is irreasonable."
In fact it is reasonable. You can search internet for it, "destiny risale" and also visit www.kuran.gen.tr, www.kurandaara.com

http://veyselicnumbers.spaces.live.com

Answer 6

Nay. Believers in Faith will splinter themselves up over the words of God and kill themselves first before they day would come.

believers in reason will just clean up the mess later

Answer 7

Your question incorrectly assumes that person of faith cannot be a person of reason.

Answer 8

Armageddon ; isn't that the same as Jihad ? or any other religious BS war stuff .

Answer 9

I agree to with Chslaw ~ and add logical thinking is what one must have ......