if your reasoning is that the human eye is too complex not have been designed then.....?

Question

surely God is more complex than the human eye. But you are will to believe than arose from nothing (has always been, whatever), but a much much simpler thing, like the human eye had to be designed. How is that acceptable to a brain with intelligence

Answer 1

So you liked my answer about the human eye eh? Thank you. Take our hands as well for instance, the muscles to work our fingers are cleverly placed away from the finger bones so that we are able to do intricate things like writing or threading a needle or all sorts of other things. Obvious design. Everywhere on the human body is evidence of design.
The fool says there is no God (PSALM 14:1)

Answer 2

If God (who created the universe) had a beginning, then he is simply and older, more intelligent and wiser version of our selves. If he then communicated with us through the Bible, the instruction found there is worthy to be followed, as it came from a source beyond our wisdom.

I understand the principle of how eyes developed in evolutionary terms, starting with light sensitive cells. I can also see that as various species developed, some came into being that may have had 1 LSC, some with 2 LSCs, some with 3 LSCs, etc. For some reason, the 1 LSCs and 3+ LSCs did not have enough adaptations that allowed them to survive. However, what possible conditions might there have been in the environment or genetic coding that allowed animals with two eyes and animals with multiple eyes (insects) to pass on their genes, but not too many of any of the other kinds? Maybe this is a spurious question.

On the question of the existence of God: given that he has always existed and that He created the universe and all life on a very beautiful Earth, it must be assumed that he is intelligent beyond our understanding. This would also mean that He is capable of coming up with perfect solutions to tricky problems beyond our understanding. The Earth's bounty, variety, etc, shows that this God wants what is best for us.
Let's say that an opposing power in the universe questioned God's right to create and enforce moral laws and that mankind would not willingly choose to obey Him and His laws. If God did not "withdraw" from human society by giving us the full capacity to choose wheter to believe in him or not, but "stayed" by allowing everyone to see that He really does exist, then the charge could be levelled that mankind had not been given the choice.

Answer 3

"It's even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man" (H.L. Mencken 1880-1956 American critic).

Evolution works from the utterly simple up to the immensely complex. God = supreme complexity, and he works down to the utterly simple. Maybe we'll all meet in the midde. But God was there first! When will we have the humility to appreciate his innumerable free gifts to us and stop abusing them - especially his gift of thought? Mere consideration of how humans have a sense of history and plan for the future should show how we are created in God's likeness.

If your Q deals with the Intelligent Design court case in the U.S. last year, then please read Nancy Pearcey's book "Total Truth, liberating Christianity from its cultural captivity". She's a Snr Fellow @ Discovery Institute and is against mandating the teaching of ID because that is coercive. She believes in 'bracketing' the Christian faith to ask, What is it that we can say from the data itself? So ID starts with scientific data and is NOT another form of Creationism. It parallels Darwinism as both are meta-theories rather than strictly empirical theories. All philosophers of science say you cannot rule out certain things as not being science but the judge in that court case ruled you could and so ID lost. ID advocates are wrong to argue against evolutionary theory as biologists rightly say, 'You're nuts! You're asking us to give up a theoretical basis that's given the world medical and scientific breakthroughs no one would want to live without, and you don't have a replacement theory" (which is true.) ID has yet to 'evolve' (lol). Give it time, folks!

Answer 4

The human eye is far from the most complex on the earth so IF we were created why didnt God give us the best instead of some lowly animals?

Answer 5

The choices are Intelligent design OR Evolution, Intelligent design would of course have us believe that some mythical Intelligent being crafted all we see from clay vs evolution which shows clearly how we and all living creatures continually evolve to better adapt to local conditions for increased survivability.

Answer 6

The weather is incredibly complex, capable of great beauty and great ferocity, yet it is created by physical laws and properties we can understand - interactions of temperature, pressure, humidity, viscosity etc - from simple materials.

It is a wondrous thing that in the same way, simple rules of chemical combination can, over billions of years, create a human eye (and indeed a human person). It's almost incredible. It's just not quite as incredible, for me, as the alternative - the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient being who shapes us and our destinies.

But you're wasting your time: those with faith won't be convinced, because they prefer that other explanation. That's why they make strawberry and vanilla.

Answer 7

A common argument offered by creationists is that biological structures like the eye could not possibly have developed via natural selection. Therefore, they conclude, such structures must have been created specially. To counter this biologists have offered ways in which eyes could have evolved naturally - and now some may have discovered evidence to back it up.
According to the European Molecular Biology Laboratory:

Researchers in the laboratories of Detlev Arendt and Jochen Wittbrodt have discovered that the lightsensitive cells of our eyes, the rods and cones, are of unexpected evolutionary origin - they come from an ancient population of light-sensitive cells that were initially located in the brain. "It is not surprising that cells of human eyes come from the brain. We still have light-sensitive cells in our brains today which detect light and influence our daily rhythms of activity," explains Wittbrodt. "Quite possibly, the human eye has originated from light-sensitive cells in the brain. Only later in evolution would such brain cells have relocated into an eye and gained the potential to confer vision." The findings are very interesting and would confirm what biologists have been saying for years. That is, after all, how science works: though research and study, not make-believe and wishful thinking. Creationist rhetoric about how such a "perfect" structure like the eye must have been created ignores the fact that the human eye is incredibly imperfect. Cephalopod eyes, for example, lack our blind spot. Zebrafish can repair their retinas after injury whereas we can't. Many species can see in far more wavelengths than us.

Answer 8

The Argument from Design was dismissed by Hume three centuries ago, the discussion has nothing to do with evidence and it is impossible to talk to a certain variety of 'believers' in any rational way. Most of those sort live in the USA and wallow in their ignorance.

Answer 9

Hmm, an elk may bay upon a hill till noon, but a fool is bent upon a twig. That normally resolves life's little curiosities

Answer 10

Not just that wonder of wonders, the eye. The digestive system, the brain, the mechanism which enables us to coordinate our movements, the ability to reason. I constantly marvel at the ability of reasoning people to imagine that all this, combined with the estraordinary workings of the universe, occurred by mere chance. "The Heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth His handiwork."