Jehovah Witness (Matthew 28:19) Part 2 continues part 1?

Question

Three-in-oneness in the Godhead:

When God was about to create man He said, "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness, (GEN. 1:26)

After Adam And Eve had fallen into sin, God said, "The man has now become like one of US, knowing good and evil.(Gen.3:22)
NOTE: the phrase "like one of US" refers back to verse 5, "like God ". As is true with (Gen. 1:26) this verse supports plurality within the Godhead.
Later, when sinful mankind was attempting to erect the Tower of Babel, God said,"Come, let US go down and confuse their language so that they will not understand each other"(Gen.11:7)
Many centuries later, Isaiah had a vision in the temple during which God commissioned him to service. God asked Isaiah,"Whom shall " I " send? And who will go for US?'' And Isaiah said,"Here am I. Send me!'' (Isaiah 6:8)
In other words, we do not find in the NT the birth of a new novel concept of God. Indeed,"the doctrine of the trinity does not appear in the NT in the making, but already made.

Answer 1

The bible does not teach such "three-in-oneness" and thus neither do Jehovah's Witnesses. Witnesses are unique in their global fulfillment of the Christian obligation to preach, so perhaps that is why this so-called "question" mentions Christ's command at Matthew 28:19:

(Matthew 28:19) .Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations


Jehovah's Witnesses teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!

(Proverbs 8:30) I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time

(John 1:3) All things came into existence through him [Jesus], and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.


Jehovah's Witnesses fully appreciate the special and unique relationship between Almighty God Jehovah the Father and mighty Christ Jesus the Son. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that these two likely enjoyed aeons of incomparably close association before the existence of any additional creatures. That is why studying the example of Jesus can help to teach about the personality of Jehovah.

(John 1:14) So the Word [Jesus] became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father


Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Scriptures in Genesis (1:26; 3:22; 11:7) and Isaiah (6:8) probably do use the word "us" in reference to Jehovah and Jesus. This is unsurprising considering the close relationship and cooperation between the Son and the Father, discussed above.

(Genesis 1:26) God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness

(Genesis 3:22) Jehovah God went on to say: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad

(Genesis 11:6,7) Jehovah said: “Look! ...Come now! Let us go down and there confuse their language

(Isaiah 6:8) Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”


This so-called question's four passages mention only a cooperation between two persons, rather than explicitly teaching that Jehovah and Jesus are a single person, or that these two join with a third entity to form a mysterious triple-god. Instead, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures alone quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father

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Answer 2

I'm sorry, but that's a really weak argument. Just because it says "US" doesn't mean it's the same person/being. To illustrate: Say you have a son. Your son may look like you, and act like you too, but you're not actually the same person. If you say, "Let's go down to the lake and go fishing" does that mean there's only one of you? Remember though, you said "Let's" (Let us)....so there has to be only one of you...right?? See, it's not logical, and it definitely doesn't make sense. Check these scriptures out. Deuteronomy 6:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Exodus 20:2, 3; Isaiah 45:5,6; 1 Timothy 2:5.

Answer 3

Why I can’t believe in the royal we, idea to Genesis 1:26 and 3:22,

If Jehovah talked with the royal we or us, etc, why did He only do it only 4-5 times.

Why didn’t He or doesn’t He continue to do to so through out the bible.

Why didn’t He use the royal we at Gen. 1:29, 30 only 3 verses later, or Gen. 2:18, Gen. 3:11, 15
and through out the rest of the bible? Why at Isa. 6:8, does Jehovah say “Whom shall I send”?

Job 38:4-7 shows that the angels were existing at the creation of man, so Jehovah wasn’t alone and had many spirit creatures to talk to.

Instead, which sounds more real and truthful, that Jehovah was talking to someone who is His Master Worker, His Firstborn Son, His Faithful Witness, who is His image, His exact representation, OR He was talking to Himself. (Prov. 8:30; Heb. 1:3; Col 1:15)

Bible scholar Donald E. Gowan said “There is no support in the O[ld] T[estament] for most of the proposed explanations: the royal ‘we,’ the deliberative ‘we,’ the plural of fullness, or an indication of a plurality of persons in the Godhead.

Why does the word Elohim according to Strong’s Cyclopaedia, when it applies to Jehovah means Supreme God, not Gods? Even when this word is applied to Moses (Ex. 4:16 & 7:1) it doesn’t mean that there are 3 Moses, it doesn’t even mean there are 2 Moses.

(Side point when Jesus said if you see me you see the Father, it is because he is the image of God, the exact representation of his Father. When you see an image in a mirror you are seeing a representation, not the actual person. Col 1:15)

(Side point, According to my college dictionary, begotten means “to be born”, to be born means “brought into life or being” when was Jesus brought into life, when he came to life as a baby? No, as Jehovah’s Firstborn of creation Col. 1:15; Rev 3:14)

Answer 4

I agree with the Bible verses you stated. But it doesn't mean that there are more than one person in God. Jehovah is actually talking to his Son when he said "We" and Let us. But this doesn't mean mean that they are the same God. Just like when Jesus said to his disciples "Let us go" doesn't mean that the disciples and Jesus are one God or one substance as God. You can't defend the Trinity in those verses.Gen 26:24 states "I AM the God of Abraham.." Notice the word "I AM" not WE ARE, If the Trinity is true, it should have used WE ARE for three persons not I AM. Do you know what the difference between singular and plural? I AM is singular, if you use I AM for three persons, your language professor will fail you.

Answer 5

Do you have children, or friends that you have ever built something with? I remember as a child saying to my friends, "Let's (Let Us) make a snow fort, it can be OUR fort." That didn't mean that my friends and I were One person, we were working together to accomplish something. When you are asking someone to help you do something, I'm sure you use the phrase "Let US".

I did a search in my Bible for the phrase "Let US". In my personal copy of the Bible, I found 274 occurrences. Twenty-five were right there in Genesis. If you read Genesis 11:3,4, Nimrod said, "Let us make bricks ....Let us build ourselves a city and also a tower ....let us make a celebrated name for OURselves." Was he part of the trinity as well? He said "let us" Or were they just more than one person working together to accomplish a goal?

At Matthew 26:46 Jesus said, "Get up, let us go. Look! My betrayer has drawn near" Who was he talking to? God? or his disciples?
Mark 1:38 "Let us go somewhere else, into the village towns nearby, that I may preach there also, for it is for this purpose I have gone out."
If God were a trinity, at Isaiah 6:8, why did he say, "I" and not "we?"

Answer 6

Thank you so much once again for providing a platform for Jehovah's Witnesses so that they can share their beliefs with honest-hearted ones.

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Answer 7

Are you complaining about JWs believing what the Bible says that Christ is God's Son, or that you cannot live as close to the teachings of Christ as they do, because you believe him to be God, thus there's no sense trying?

Answer 8

Guess I must have missed part one because I don't see where you are asking a question.

Answer 9

That's it - reported for wasting my time waiting for a question when all you do is preach.