Dont those who claim that they dont believe feel the divine work behind everything. How could our brains which are so complex be by chance and the coded informtion in our ADN . What can humans call this force except god knowing that even the technology we thought we invented is nothing but following the rules set by the divine.
2006-10-28 18:19:33 · 25 answers · asked by fuschiafish 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Perhaps when people of faith feel a divine presence, atheists observe complexity, mathematics, and the unknown. Perhaps these are the same. Our interpretations of science and mysticism are growing ever similar. Maybe someday a mathematician will solve the 'god equation,' and a holy person will reveal the complex unified code of everything.
2006-10-28 18:44:52 · answer #1 · answered by Ted 2 · 5⤊ 1⤋
I have a big problem with this argument, which is basicly the argument for "intelligent design"....
You're pretty much saying "the universe is too complex not to have been created by some kind of intelligent force".... The problem with this argument is much more simple than most people realize - the fact that the universe is so complex makes it far LESS likely that some sort of intelligent force was behind its creation. Honestly - it would take sooooo much planning and calculation to put together something like a universe, the idea that it was created by a concious being is just absurd.
You'll notice that the only people that buy into this argument are those that were raised religious.... of course creationism makes sense when you were told this was the absolute truth when you were young and impressionable.... It's hard to give up deeply held beliefs no matter how wrong you are.
2006-10-28 18:33:39 · answer #2 · answered by Brooks B 3 · 3⤊ 3⤋
Nope, don't feel anything of the sort.
I'm not sure what ADN is, but our brains aren't complex by chance, or at least not purely, and it's a complexity developed over billions of years in tiny increments and contained by the boundaries of their environment.
People used to think diseases were caused by demons, but we looked more closely and found viruses. I suppose you could stretch the definition of 'virus' and say what can humans call this but demon, but then you're just playing a semantic game, and not really proving that the demons as you'd originally conceived actually existed.
Plus, the more deeply our scientific capabilities allow us to explore natural phenoma, the more we find explanations that don't rely on the supernatural.
Claiming that "the technology we thought we invented is nothing but following the rules set by the divine," just begs the question.
If something hasn't been explained by science, that doesn't mean it's valid just to make up an explanation. Unless you can offer positive proof of your claim, then referring to the unexplained isn't logical proof.
2006-10-28 18:36:41 · answer #3 · answered by answersBeta2.1 3 · 3⤊ 3⤋
If via 'non-religious' you propose no longer in contact in a faith, then i assume that ought to be me. i don't be attentive to what faith i'm. i've got been a Christian, Atheist, and maximum those days a Deist (which I had the final journey with). yet I thoroughly be attentive to what you propose. I grew to alter into an atheist using fact Christianity did no longer make experience to me, yet I knew deep down that i did no longer have self assurance interior the non-life of 'God'... i'm getting this sensation now and back, that i can't fairly clarify. it always occurs whilst i'm out interior the wild areas, or learn something fairly exciting, or am petting my cat and seeing it looking back up at me. it extremely is this sense of organic excitement and authenticity and awe, kinda like... that isn't here on accident. This attractiveness, this perfection interior the universe can't be random and unintentional...it extremely is almost like an insult to think of so, and insult to all of 'introduction'. you be attentive to? It sounds fairly cheesy, yet... additionally I certainly tend to have self assurance in a divine being no longer even using fact of my own stories, yet using fact I certainly have familiar human beings (of extremely some ideals) who the place completely beneficial and elementary of their ideals in God(s)... for occasion my aunt, a good, witty lady who isn't via any ability stupid (college physics professor!) or in want of a 'crutch' as maximum atheists insist faith is... she is Jewish and is open and non-compromising approximately her faith, and exudes an astonishing religious know-how... it extremely is merely astounding to me.
2016-11-26 01:41:42 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I don't deny the possibility of god.In philosophy ,if there is no observer then there is no existance.In the begining of time there was nothing, and for there to be existence there had to be an observer.The complexity of the universe is orderly and not really chaotic.But do i believe in god soo much that i would die for a belief that has not proven true? no i would not.Jumping blindly into believing something blindly to me is just stupid.I wont deny the possibility cause that would be stupid as well.
2006-10-28 18:24:12 · answer #5 · answered by ProJecTOrion 1 · 3⤊ 1⤋
No.
By raising the question of the need for a designer for objects with irreducible complexity, intelligent design also raises the question, "what designed the designer?" Richard Dawkins has argued that "If complex organisms demand an explanation, so does a complex designer. And it's no solution to raise the theologian's plea that God (or the intelligent designer) is simply immune to the normal demands of scientific explanation," since such an answer would be unscientific. With religious creationism, the question "what created God?" can be answered with theological arguments, but in intelligent design, the chain of designers can be followed back indefinitely in an infinite regression, leaving the question of the creation of the first designer dangling. As a result, intelligent design does not explain how the complexity happened in the first place; it just moves it.
Elliott Sober says that by intelligent design's own arguments, a designer capable of creating irreducible complexity must also be irreducibly complex: "Any mind in nature that designs and builds an irreducibly complex system is itself irreducibly complex" Sober says that this an argument that intelligent design proponents still need to respond to.
If intelligent design proponents invoke an uncaused causer or deity to resolve this problem, they contradict a fundamental assumption of intelligent design that design requires a designer and reduce intelligent design to religious creationism. Another possible counter-argument might be an infinite regression of designers. However, admitting infinite numbers of objects also allows any arbitrarily improbable event to occur, such as an object with "specific" complexity assembling itself by chance. Again, this contradicts a fundamental assumption of intelligent design that a designer is needed for every specifically complex object, producing a logical contradiction.
2006-10-28 18:29:54 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
If I felt "the presence of a divine work in the universe" I wouldn't be an atheist. Well, maybe I would. As a yound child I imagined all kinds of things and had many feelings that carried me from one place to another. A person's gut doesn't always tell them the truth. A christian's thinking reminds me of my wishful thinking as a child. Wish/pray/hope in one hand and put anything real in the other hand and see which one fills up first.
2006-10-28 18:27:41 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
Not at all. Natural processes are amazing though. Plus it isn't really chance, it's a very delicate process guided by natural selection and the general need to survive. Order isn't something that happens on accident either. Order can be almost completely explained because (+) forces are attracted to (-) forces and all atoms want to have 8 valence electrons. What I don't know is simply that, things I don't know. And not being all knowing isn't quite enough to make me believe in the divine. I give you a thumbs up for effort though, I'm just nice like that.
2006-10-28 18:34:05 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋
Of course it's amazing. That's why I think there's no more noble pursuit than the study of science. No manmade label could ever do justice to the amazing complexity of the universe.
2006-10-28 18:25:01 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
Nope.
Just because something is complex or difficult to understand does not suggest that it has to be attributed to a God or gods.
The complexity of humans and other animals is rationally explained by evolution.
Evolution is not just random chance. Natural selection is a powerful force that guides and selects for the best characteristics.
The slow, steady and tiny steps over millions and millions of years easily explains the diversity of life.
Saying poof God did it explains nothing other than you taking the easy way out.
2006-10-28 18:22:07 · answer #10 · answered by trouthunter 4 · 5⤊ 3⤋