I just read a question where the answer was that certain things said at a Catholic Mass?

Question

were Greek in origin being that the original Scripture this was taken from was in Greek (the Septuagint). An answerer said that this was also used in the Anglican and the Lutheran Church as well. My question is that if this part of the Septuagint was used for the Anglican and the Lutheran services why did they throw the rest of the Septuagint out that contained the seven books that the Catholics use? (The term I was talking about was Kyrie Eleison)

Answer 1

The New Testament canon of the Catholic Bible and the Protestant Bible are the same and the original documents were written in Greek.

The difference in the Old Testaments actually goes back to the time before and during Christ’s life. At this time, there was no official Jewish canon of scripture.

The Jews in Egypt translated their choices of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek in the second century before Christ. This translation, called the Septuagint, had wide use in the Roman world because most Jews lived far from Palestine in Greek cities. Many of these Jews spoke only Greek.

The early Christian Church was born into this world. The Church, with its bilingual Jews and more and more Greek-speaking Gentiles, used the books of the Septuagint as its Bible. Remember the early Christians were just writing the documents what would become the New Testament.

After the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, with increasing persecution from the Romans and competition from the fledgling Christian Church, the Jewish leaders came together and declared its official canon of Scripture, eliminating seven books from the Septuagint.

The books removed were Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom (of Solomon), Sirach, and Baruch. Parts of existing books were also removed including Psalm 151 (from Psalms), parts of the Book of Esther, Susanna (from Daniel as chapter 13), and Bel and the Dragon (from Daniel as chapter 14).

The Christian Church did not follow suit but kept all the books in the Septuagint.

1500 years later, Protestants decided to change its Old Testament from the Catholic canon to the Jewish canon. The books they dropped are sometimes called the Apocrypha.

Here is a Catholic Bible website: http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/

With love in Christ.

Answer 2

The Reformation was a time to question things and Luther felt everything needed questioned including what was in scripture.

He created the 87th translation of the scriptures into German. What made his different was that he disagreed with some of the books. Not just the books Protestants now call the apocrypha but also James, Jude and Revelations. He removed them from the bible. James, Jude, Revelations, 2 John, the books now called the apocrypha and several other NT books were called deuterocanonical books. Books like Luke or Genesis were called protocanonical books. Protocanonical books were books that were admited to the canon without question. Deuterocanonical books were books that were questioned by early Christians.

In the year 397 Pope Damasus issued the list of books now called the bible and closed the question of the canon. Now, if you reject papal authority by definition you reject the authorizing party for the bible. How can you insist upon scripture alone if you have no bible to start with? So Luther took it upon himself to make the decisions, which is really the most logical choice. In the process, certain books disappeared. Early Anglicanism accepted the Septuagint it was only later that the books migrated off the list. Lutherans returned James, Jude and Revelations to the bible in the 17th century.

Answer 3

The Septuagint had been translated into Greek about 100 BC, 1600 years before the reformation. Imagine today trying to read English as it might have been spoken in the year 500 AD. That's how distant in time the language was. (Shakespeare is already tough, and he wrote his plays in the 1500s AD.)

By the time of the protestant reformation in the 16th century, the septuagint was no longer the primary version of the bible in use. Greek had been replaced by Latin as the language of the church, and the Kyrie was simply a holdover from earlier traditions.

Martin Luther translated the bible into German for the german people, but he didn't toss out the entire mass. The Anglican church tends to use English only, but on occasion may use the Kyrie. As I said in my other answers, it's only 3 words, and so it's easy to remember what they mean: Kyrie Eleison (Lord have mercy), Christe Eleison (Christ have mercy), Kyrie Eleison (Lord have mercy).

Answer 4

I detect that many humans that bash Catholics do not appreciate the Catholic faith, it is supposed to be common. The teachings of the Catholic Church isn't situated upon one person's private ideals in their reality however as a substitute a collective of unique ideals from unique humans that proportion in a typical reality. More to the factor the Apostles themselves every had unique ideals however shared within the typical reality. That is why the early church buildings had been very different considering every targeted church was once based through unique Apostles. Even if you happen to learn the Gospels of St. Matthew and St. John each had been Apostles their reports approximately Jesus' lifestyles are unique considering it is being witnessed through 2 unique views. But something approximately the Apostles they are going to have had unique ideals concerning how the Church must be based however they constantly agreed upon a few typical floor. Another factor is that the Catechism of the Catholic Church it is a collective of unique ideals which coach a typical reality, simply as there may be the Roman Rite there are lots of different Rites and Churches which make up the Catholic Church.

Answer 5

The reason Catholics use the text is that the Septuagint is the text Jesus quoted from during His ministry on earth. If it is good enough for Him, I will stand by it.

Great Question! I await the responses!

Answer 6

Lutherans(Protestants) and Catholics are very similar...they have some different beliefs, but its the same general idea. In the middle ages, the catholic church was seen as corrupt, and a man named martin luther decided he wanted to reform. He created his own church, the lutheran church. He used some catholic teachings and beliefs and changed some other things.

Answer 7

the Bible was just to heavy. Really I don't know. I have read those other books and the only problem I can see is the one about purgatory and how it was used to bilk innocent people out of large sums of money which is what irritated Martin in the first place. However if they added anything to my Bible I did not see it.

Answer 8

Don't know, but I think someone made a very Pretty Song out of those words.
Hey, I used to say the Mass in Latin as an Altar Boy.
Bout All I Remember is:
Dominos Nabisco's!
How's my Latin now?

Answer 9

During a period of church history known as The Protestant Reformation, the Lutheran Church as we know it broke away from The Roman Catholic Church. A fellow by the name of Martin Luther (not to be confused with the more recent activist Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr.) had famously nailed 95 theses to the door of the church. These theses were intellectual challenges of certain church practices and dogma. While this may sound like a bold move, in truth there was little all that flamboyant about it. Church doors in that place and time were also used as community bulletin boards and many people nailed notices and documents to them the way we post bills in urban areas today. The 95 theses were little more than 95 topics of discussion for debate he'd hoped to bring attention to. Martin Luther never had the notion of beginning a new form of the Christian religion.

Perhaps the most noteworthy of the questions dealt with the then Roman Catholic Church practice of selling indulgences. This was a transitive notion that depending on where one was either got enforced as an abuse to a large degree or got used as a quick little means of acceptance. That's to say that people who paid the church money got absolution for sins from clergy right away, something Roman Catholics believe is necessary to enter the kingdom of heaven. It was a practice that dated back hundreds of years in different forms and that segregated those who could pay from those who could not as if sin was a matter of barter. Martin Luther wished to debate the practice, perhaps even eliminate it.

Well, having gone so strictly against church policy, the simple questions turned into a grandiose argument that sent ripples through the Christian world without end. The church was just too powerful to fight. Martin Luther received the brunt of the fallout. However, it wasn't until an almost unrelated incident, years later, when a reigning Pope excommunicated the entire nation of Germany from the church, that the people there rose up and basically said, "Hey, we don't need your church, we can follow the teachings of this guy over here, Martin Luther." All of a sudden Luther's questions and assertions had followers. They built their own churches, patterned after what they knew from Roman Catholicism. They acquired their own clergy and a few practices that differed slightly from RC but ultimately fell in line with what Martin Luther had pointed out. Though not the Protestant religion, Lutherans had much to do with the protestant movement (Protestant Reformation), a second schism away from the church after the Great Schism had divided the RC church into Eastern and Western centuries earlier..

Attending a Lutheran church ceremony differs little from a Roman Catholic ceremony in the same season. There are usually fewer images of Christ and saints, prefering a simple cross and a greater focus on the WORD. Roman Catholics recognize seven practices as sacraments while Lutherans recognize only five. Many of the songs are exactly the same, but sung to different tunes. The Lutheran hierarchy goes up to bishops or so while the Roman Catholic hierarchy extends all the way to the Pope. Lutheran churches tend to be a little smaller. Roman Catholics traditionally go to Confession in a dark and quiet private booth called a Confessional while Lutherans tend to simply confess all their sins in a single, common sentence during part of the ceremony. Both believe in pretty much the same versions of Christ's story and both have similar formats of services. There’s an academic question over transubstantiation, but one of little note to a person practicing neither religion.

Hey, did I mention it was Martin Luther himself who first translated the Latin bible into German. Well, he wasn't quite the first. But, given everything that later took place, it was his translation that stuck.

In recent years, post Vatican II, the similarities between the two sects have gotten even closer to the naked eye. That's to say that the Roman Catholic Church has extended confession into an open setting as an option, though still one on one. Obviously the church no longer engages in the sale of indulgences and other archaic practices. Much common ground has been sought and reached with regard to familial relationships between churches and common goals to rid the world of poverty, hunger, and disease. The Lutheran Church has also, in many cases, besought its roots, reverting practices to earlier times, times that were closer to strict Roman Catholic interpretation of The Gospel.

While summing some one's religion up in a single line is a tad disconcerting, my attempt to sum up a couple religions in just a few paragraphs is equally so. There is a lot more to the things I'm explaining than what I can include here. Suffice it to say that I was both a practicing Lutheran in my youth and have now converted to Roman Catholicism in my adulthood. Whereas you should give Calvinists and Protestants their due in this discussion, among other valid groups, I think your question about is most easily answered by concluding, "They are Christian religions that shared a similar history on the same continent before breaking apart, one becoming more noted for the direct interpretation of the bible, the other becoming more noted for a methodical interpretation." Essentially, if my entire country had been eexcommunicated, I would have never looked back. I am ssurprised Lutherans kept an portion of the "Catholic" New Testament at all.

Answer 10

Because they were fictitious and legendary accounts. In other words, false.