Then why did the Old testament did not predicted that a "GOD" is coming to earth. If Jesus is the GOD almighty the messages from Moses to all the prophet would have predict and Clearly say a "GOD" is coming. Jewish have been around along time but no doctorine noted "GOD" or "YAHWEH" is coming. Even Jesus never clearly say "I'm a GOD" not all 4 of his deciple ever call him "YAHWEH" or whatever they call GOD since they all Jewish.
Am i right?
So the Trinity theory still stands that Angel Gabriel Is the HOLY Spirit or Ghost who visited Mary for the news of Jesus birth, Jesus is without father sent by God and God the One the only God. Saint Paul have a hard time explaining to people the miracles of Jesus birth and "ONE" God theory being himself a Jewish. All those info have been misunderstood that ALL 3 is one GOD. That how it came to be now the TRINITY.
What do you think? Am i right?
2006-10-28 12:49:18 · 19 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
No you are wrong. I don't blame you if your looking at this from the perspective of another religion, because your information would most likely be subsetible to the doctrines of your particular faith. Whatevr your position, I feel that its important to first clarify certain aspects of your agrument in order to disprove it.Number one, it is a huge misconception that Jesus is a Jew. My faith was taught to me by the old Catholic tradition, that of East Europe. Unfortnatly, American Catholicism has been quite tampered with. The reality is that Jesus came from a part of the world that was divided, and may different nationalities lived within this region, and practiced similar religious doctrines. The most significant evidence is that he spoke Aramic, not Hebrew. This is something that wasn't characteristic of the Jews. However, it doesn't matter what religion Jesus was because the fact is that his teaching seperated the old world from the new, and some chose not to follow. Thus, we have the Romans following Jesus, the Jews labelling him as a false prophet, and the Muslims considering him not the son of God, but a prophet.
In the Catholic version of the Old Testament, they referred to God as God. In the new Testament, Jesus referred to God as Father, or Lord.
Also, Gabriel is not the Holy Spirit, he's an Arch-Angel. I don't know where you got that idea from, but he's not. And yes he came to Mary to annouce the birth of Jesus. Gabriel means "one like God". He is the messenger. The holy spirit entered Mary for her to convince Jesus. Also, in Catholicism, the Trinity is Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God. They are one. God, through an angel, said that we will never understand the Trinity, and that is the truth. The concept of three being one, is not something our minds can understand.
Also Jesus is not without father, his father is God.
The disciples did not understand the Trinity, its that they couldn't explain it. They did however understand the miracles of Jesus, something they were able to share with people of today.
Also the disciples were not Jewish. We have to understand that. If you are taught by Anglician, and new Christian religions you will misunderstand, and believe everyone in the bible is Jewish. If you are taught by old Catholicism, you will know what position each of these men held. Also its important to note, Roman Catholic was the first Christian religion, look up the Reformation, and you will understand where all these other Christian religions came from.
So, in summary, the trinity is not something that was misunderstood, it was something the human mind couldn't explain. Theres a story, that a man was walking on a beach (this man is now a Saint) and a he saw a child. And the child asked why the tides came in and out. And the man said he didn't know. And the child said, thus you will never know the how the Trinity works. And the child disappeared. The idea is that, our minds can't understand how One can be Three and it cannot be explained by Science. You just have to accept it.
However, the answer to your question is that the Trinity has always been the same, its just Paul couldn't explain how One was Three, thats it.
2006-10-28 13:20:11 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
>the Old testament did not predicted that a "GOD"
>is coming to earth.
BUT, it DID!!
>If Jesus is the GOD almighty the messages from Moses
>to all the prophet would have predict and Clearly say
>a "GOD" is coming.
And that is just what the Prophets (before the Incarnation) did say!
>Jewish have been around along time but no doctorine >noted "GOD" or "YAHWEH" is coming.
Clearly their Tanakh did teach such things; when He came but did not deliver them from the Romans, then they re-interpreted their Scriptures.
>Even Jesus never clearly say "I'm a GOD"
But, the point is that Jesus DID say that he was GOD; not just "a God"; but, rather, the eternal God, that He with the Father was ONE GOD.
>not all 4 of his deciple ever call him "YAHWEH" or whatever
>they call GOD since they all Jewish.
Since the N.T. was written in Greek, it does not record what the disciples called him in Hebrew or Aramaic.
>Am i right?
NO. Even Thomas addressed Him, in a confession of faith, "My LORD and my GOD".
>So the Trinity theory still stands that Angel Gabriel
>Is the HOLY Spirit or Ghost who visited Mary for the news
>of Jesus birth,
NO. that THEORY never did hold water!!!
NO, that is not possible because your logic is flawed. The Holy Ghost was not, is not, and never will be an angel!!
>The holy ghost is an angel who came to Mary
NOT SO!!
The angel Gabriel was an ANGEL.
The Holy Ghost (Spirit) was and is the Eternal God, the third "person" of the Trinity.
God spoke by His Prophets but afterwards He spoke by His Son.
End of the age of the Prophets. Enter the Age of Grace, for grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
And we do look forward to the return of the Prince of Peace who shall usher in the glorious Kingdom.
2006-10-29 08:57:06 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
the trinity doctrine was formed by those who think all spiritual things must be consistant and understood. My thought is that the relationship between God and Jesus can not be totally understood in this place where words predominate. Now we see in a mirror darkly, accept that pray listen read your Bible and grow and maintain a healthy I do not yet know file.
just to point out an opposing view and not that this is the correct insight.
Mat. 18-6. Jesus identified Himself using the word that immenated from the bush and when He did over a 1000 men who were there to arrest Him with weapons fell back and down, whyzat???
2006-10-28 12:56:20 · answer #3 · answered by ronnysox60 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I think you're off your rocker. The way you wrote this is meant to confuse the reader. Please reread your entries before you post them.
Your most fatal flaw is this statement is that Gabriel is not the Holy Spirit; he is an archangel, not an incarnation of god. Learn your angels.
Lastly, the Trinity is more associated with St Patrick and the legend about him using the three-leaf clover to explain the 3-in-1 belief.
2006-10-28 13:04:55 · answer #4 · answered by analystdevil 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are way off.The old testament for told of a savior coming.
there are 12 apostles Jesus says over and over My father,and Jesus prayed constantly to God his father.The Angel Gabriel is The Angel Gabriel, not The Holy Spirit
2006-10-28 12:59:19 · answer #5 · answered by gwhiz1052 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The OT does say that a God is coming...it says they will call him "Immanuel" which means "God with us"..the Jewish people wanted to kill him because they understood him to saying he was God...John 10:31-33... Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
2006-10-28 18:16:09 · answer #6 · answered by candi_k7 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Let me ask. If Jesus did state clearly he was God, would it have made a difference? I don't think so. His children know who he is and he knows his children. Just so you know Jesus is God and the trinity was created by the Catholic Church.
2006-10-28 14:17:31 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
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2016-10-16 12:25:24 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
there is absolutely no where in the bible where it mentions a trinity. God whose name is Jehovah psalm 83:18 is God. Jesus is his son. and the holy spirit is God's active force. The one that is coming would be God's son Jesus.
read for yourself...see source.
2006-10-28 12:59:54 · answer #9 · answered by artelissa2 2 · 0⤊ 2⤋
The Holy Trinity is a MYSTERY! We will never find out. Ya got to live with it.
2006-10-28 13:05:03 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋