If you believe in the Trinity, then it has always been complete and will always be complete.
Jesus is the son and represents all of creation.
2006-10-28 06:11:27
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answer #1
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answered by m15 4
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The trinity doctrine says there are 3 co-equal, co-eternal persons that make one God. So if one of those persons dies, then the godhead is incomplete. It is 2/3 God, which really means there is no God.
If you pay attention to those who support the trinity, you can see just how confused they are. Their long, rambling explanations don't make sense. For instance, following Jesus' execution, how could Jesus be dead, but not really dead? David b's explanation is that Jesus, who is God, was separated from God. So Jesus was separated from himself? Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.
There are so many unresolved questions about the trinity. How can Jesus be the son of God and be God at the same time? How can Jesus be the SON of God if he is as old as God? How can Jesus be God if he is the "mediator between God and men"? See 1Tim 2:5. How can Jesus and the Father be equal if Jesus said at John 14:28: "The Father is greater than I am"? At 1 Cor. 11:3 says that "the head of the Chist is God." Does God have a head?
The simple fact is that the trinity is not a Bible teaching. It is a lie against God and his Son.
2006-10-28 15:15:30
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answer #2
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answered by LineDancer 7
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The doctrine of the Trinity was hashed out at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. It is unclear what those who followed Christ believed before that, but it surely was vastly fragmented. There continued to be different "christianities" for many centuries, but there was a standard developed just to keep the institution from being as fragmented as the beliefs of individual groups was outside of orthodoxy, or "right thinking." You see, it was Constantine who chose Christianity as the state religion as an attempt to keep the empire from splitting into two states, east and west. It was also Constantine who called the bishops together at Nicaea for the first ecumenical council with the objective of creating this standard "right thinking" over and against which everything else is judged as right or wrong.
2006-10-28 13:16:51
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answer #3
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answered by ? 4
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THE TRINITY CONCEPT IS DECEPTION AND GOD AND JESUS IS ONE ONLY IN THE WAY THEY THINK, THE PLAN FOR MANKIND. IT IS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS THE SON. GOD IS A FAMILY AND IS REPRODUCING HISSELF WITH THOSE WHO KEEP HIS LAWS.
It may first be noted that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (KJ) found in older translations at 1 John 5:7 are actually spurious additions to the original text. A footnote in The Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says that these words are “not in any of the early Greek MSS [manuscripts], or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg[ate] itself.” A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce Metzger (1975, pp. 716-718), traces in detail the history of the spurious passage. It states that the passage is first found in a treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus, of the fourth century, and that it appears in Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts of the Scriptures, beginning in the sixth century. Modern translations as a whole, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include them in the main body of the text, because of recognizing their spurious nature.—RS, NE, NAB.
Other evidence of its impersonal nature. Further evidence against the idea of personality as regards the holy spirit is the way it is used in association with other impersonal things, such as water and fire (Mt 3:11; Mr 1:8); and Christians are spoken of as being baptized “in holy spirit.” (Ac 1:5; 11:16) Persons are urged to become “filled with spirit” instead of with wine. (Eph 5:18) So, too, persons are spoken of as being ‘filled’ with it along with such qualities as wisdom and faith (Ac 6:3, 5; 11:24) or joy (Ac 13:52); and holy spirit is inserted, or sandwiched in, with a number of such qualities at 2 Corinthians 6:6. It is most unlikely that such expressions would be made if the holy spirit were a divine person. As to the spirit’s ‘bearing witness’ (Ac 5:32; 20:23), it may be noted that the same thing is said of the water and the blood at 1 John 5:6-8. While some texts refer to the spirit as ‘witnessing,’ ‘speaking,’ or ‘saying’ things, other texts make clear that it spoke through persons, having no personal voice of its own. (Compare Heb 3:7; 10:15-17; Ps 95:7; Jer 31:33, 34; Ac 19:2-6; 21:4; 28:25.)
2006-10-28 13:13:29
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answer #4
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answered by His eyes are like flames 6
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The Trintiy from the New Catholic Dictionary printed in 1929 Impramateur by Patrick Cardinal Hayes
Blessed Trinity, the term used as early as the days of Tertullian to denote the cntral doctrine of the Christian religion. God, who is one and unique in His infintie substance or nature, or God-head, is three really distinct Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Each of these Persons is truley the same God, and has all His infinete perfections, yet He is really distinct from eac of the other Persons. The one and only God is the Father, the Son and the holy Ghost; yet God the Father is not God the Son, but begets the Son eternally, as the Son is eternally begotton. The Holy Ghost is neither the Father nor the Son, but a distinct Person having His divine nature from the Father nad the Son by eternal rocession/ To illustrate this inscrutable mystery of God's inner life (,ade known by Christ and Christian Revelation, and definded by the Church of Christ) the Father engenders the Son as His spiritula image, or Word, conceived by His infine and eteral thought, while the Holy Ghost issues forth eternally as the personal term of the infinte act of mutual love of the Father and the Son. Thus the unique and indivisible Godhead subists in three Persons, Who are constitued by distinct internal Divine relations. These Persons are co-equal, co eternal, and consubstantial, and deserve co-equal glory and adoration, which the Church expresses in the often repeated prayer: "Glory be to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost."
2006-10-28 13:55:34
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answer #5
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answered by Anonymous
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Trinity (or 3-in-one Deities) is a pagan belief transferred to Christendom’s Doctrine. Scriptures have been tampered with, (KJ 1Jo 5:7), and God’s personal name has been removed from the bible text to help sell this false belief. It is not taught in the Bible anywhere. Jesus Christ did not teach it to his followers. It is a difficult, if not impossible concept for anyone to rectify and harmonize with true, important Bible concepts such as the Ransom and the messiah-ship.
Jesus Clearly and repeatedly showed himself to be separate and subordinate to his heavenly father who is named in the Bible several thousands of times, (Jehovah). His apostles consistently manifested a belief in a supreme being who was not the same individual as Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the name of the individual who was transferred by supernatural power to the womb of a virgin to become a perfect HUMAN. He was the very first thing created by the creator. Before becoming human, his very being was exactly the same as his creator’s. His very personality, his goals, his desires, his love, is exactly the same as his father. Everything else created was created by the father but through and with the son. He became God’s spokesman or mouthpiece and that is why he carries the name and title “Word”. He commands all of the armies of angels. He is the authentic “seed” who will champion all of the Creator’s purposes and return the universe to the situation originally purposed by Jehovah God the creator, as the King of God’s Kingdom, (A government with a heavenly seat). He is the Messiah, and the Ransomer who redeemed the lives of all humanity by paying the ransom price lost by the original human pair. He gave his perfect human life to pay that price. He did not pay that ransom price with a Creator’s life or a God’s life. His father, (a separate all powerful individual who was still alive) Resurrected him from death, (Hell) to a life once again as a spirit creature like he was before and sat him on a throne at his right hand to wait until his Kingdom rule was to begin.
Holy Spirit is not an individual personality; it is God’s active force or power.
Christendom will be held responsible for the perpetuation of the filthy trinity doctrine
2006-10-29 12:46:48
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answer #6
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answered by fasteddie 3
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The Doctrine of the Trinity was created at the Council of Nicaea in 325 C. E. Constantine called the Council and told them that they couldn't leave until they came up with a common creed for all Christians. He did this in order that the Empire not be fragmented.
As this creed forced all Christians to believe in the same things, free thinking was now prohibited. Before this creed, people could be called 'seekers.' Afterwards, they were called 'believers.' Anyone who did not accept the creed was tortured and/or killed. This happened to the Bishop of Alexandria.
2006-10-28 14:22:23
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answer #7
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answered by Buffy 5
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an excellent question this,I think that first you need to believe in God,and the concept of the Holy Trinity to even begin to arrive at an answer.
That said, it is certainly a theological question that deserves more knowledge and wisdom than I possess, but here are my thoughts about it.
I think you could say that the human nature of Jesus having died had to have been separated from God, but the fact that Jesus is also true God must mean that that nature can not be separate from the Father and Holy Spirit, or else Jesus could himself, not be God.
Jesus revealed many things about his Father i.e God is love and mercy etc, but we cannot know God as he himself truly knows, this is en-affable mystery.
Hope this helps a little, but remember we really are dealing with unfathomable mystery here.
Good luck.
2006-10-28 13:36:00
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answer #8
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answered by Sentinel 7
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...The Trinity began as a Roman Catholic concept. It's composed of the Father (God), Son (Jesus as Messiah), and the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost).
...However, your question, when I try to break it down to understand you, still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Can you re-work it and ask it again?
2006-10-28 13:13:22
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answer #9
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answered by Sick Puppy 7
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Your question really is thought provoking! You deserve an intelligent and informative answer. I am a Roman Catholic. I went to parochial school through 12th grade. I never thought about this question. Lately I have been listening to EWTN ( the Eternal Word TV Network). There is a priest on one of their programs who answers questions at the end of his show like yours. His name is Fr.
Benedict Groeschel. His program is on Sunday Evenings 7pm, and some other times. Check out this website.
http://www.ewtn.com/rock/index.asp
I'd like to know the answer to your question also. :)
2006-10-28 13:24:38
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answer #10
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answered by ursaitaliano70 7
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